thurso angler
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get well soon ken, youll be back on your feet in no time.
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Two children and another adult, too. This is seriously tragic.
TERRIBLE NEWS, A TRUE GENT AND DARE DEVIL OF THE MOTORWORLD.
oops caps lock,
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Thats because its not a representative vote is it. There are what 11,000 ,members on AN only? 17 or so have voted 10 yes (deluded)and 7 correct. Also looking at the posters most are shooters anyway so theywould vote yes wouldn't they/
its there for the 11000 members to vote on? the non voters we can only assume have no opinion on the matter?
we can only take from the results thus far, and as we see you are in the minority.
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Not ONE? Are you sure??
Believe its a Field Sport or Deluded? the latter I think
The figures dont lie, they are there n black and white over 60% of this angling forum (who have voted) beleive "angling is a field sport" yet still you say the opposite?
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at the moment double the amount of people beleive its is a field sport as opposed to not one, tells its own story really?
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So its a class thing rabbit, rather than ethical? its becoming clearer now most antis are hung up on class, a bit misguided given the amount of working class who participate in country pursuits, but never mind, you keep fighting the fight!
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edited by rabbit removed sarcastic remark about C1 spelling
Very mature of you
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yes without doupt
Got the poll to work
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Posted for sportsman, hope it works?
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The stark reality for most people hunting their own food to eat is not an option, we have a infrastructure that supplies food through farming and distribution to the consumer, any other way would not be feasible, so if you are lucky enough to live off the 'fat of the land' then fine, but you seem to inhabit the moral high ground and consider other folk who are not as fortunate as you to be ignorant of how food is produced. I work in the countryside, I eat fruits from the hedgerows trees etc, I even eat organic venison produced by local farmers in this area. but I or rather the wife have to shop in supermarkets or the local market for fresh locally grown Vale of Evesham veg. Much the same I guess as the majority of ordinary folk
if you can think of a more practical solution to feed the masses then please I would love to hear it??
Buy a lurcher and a spotlamp, wait until its dark and walk through a field
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Thurso, Sportsman, Gozzer - you STILL don't understand that "We" have "moved on/evolved/become civilised", Go to the bottom of the class and read Rabbit's post again.
Consider what it is saying. We have become "civilised", which means........
No more nasty people chasing, killing, gutting, skinning, cooking and eating our wild life.
Instead we have nice kind farmers rearing, killing, gutting, skinning, (and the rest of us cooking and eating) domestic animals.
Now consider what it has NOT said - civilisation continues to move on, and whilst "most people" in Rabbitland are no longer hunters, not many of them are farmers either.
"We" have "moved on" even from being farmers, "we" don't do all this unsavoury killing, gutting and skinning anymore. Farmers and slaughtermen do it for us. Farmers are an uncouth lot, nearly as bad as us hunters - in fact many of them go hunting, shooting and fishing in what spare time they have - just like the rest of us reprobates.
"Most peoples" food now comes not from the rivers, hills and woods, not from the fields and farmyard, but from a nice hygenic slab at the supermarket. We can eat with clean hands, and for the squeamish, with a clean conscience.
We are "moving on" still further - an increasing proportion of "most peoples" food is purchased ready cooked - no red blood in sight - and only requires un-wrapping, reheating, and eating.
Where are "we" moving to next?
To save fuel, and "save the planet" no doubt the next step is food delivered to your doorstep (and eat what you are sent, but that's by the way)
A symptom of all this "evolution/moving on/civilisation" is the conviction that "we" are morally superior to anyone that sources their own food.
I am having venison casserole tonight, part of a fallow deer shot by one of my friends. Blackberry pie for afters - using fruits ruthlessly torn from their mother-plant in the countryside. No hope for me then.
No hope for you Vagabond, but can i come round to yours for tea? sounds yummy!!!
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This is what I am saying...dont lump angling with the shooters, or the hunting fraternity. the hunting days are numbered not so angling. Angling does not need the 'support' of the shooters
I wouldnt be so sure Rabbit, keep voting labour and it may come around sooner than you think, ill still support angling as im sure 99% of shooters/keepers/dog handlers etc FIELD SPORT LOVERS will, even those who dont enjoy or participate in angling will, as we can unlike you see the woods for the trees and realise that we have a common enemy in a growing public apathy to anything that involves sport and animals/fish, like it or not its the way things are.
Either wake up or loose what you love!
I just hope the rest of the angling community are not so blinkered and shortsighted as you seem to be?
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We (Man) turned from the hunter gatherer into farmers. Instead of having to find the food we propagated and reared food. It was the start of civilisation, it was the reason we are like we are today,for good or bad.
I have a passion for wildlife also, and yet I too fish, but fishing is recreational, I am not dependent on catching fish to feed my family, and neither is any coarse angler in this country. So to make a comparison with recreational fishing as to a right that fulfils our hunter gatherer instincts is misplaced, it does not follow therefore that hunting wildlife for 'sport' or the 'table' is any more acceptable, or necessary..
However if you wish to exercise your legal rights to hunt then fine, but please do not attempt to drag angling into an area that the public and a large amount of anglers do not want to be.
So when they try to ban fishing in 10, 20, 30 years time, you wont be expecting any support from the shooting fraternity?
United we stand, didvided we fall?
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You may have to leave the UK at some point but there are still many parts of the world where you need not worry about that.
i feel you are right there Newt!
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OK, I'll let you off with that one mate...
Yep, It does get a bit of a "Compulsion"...I must admit to being the same when I had my Ferrets...
I would think nothing of walking lots of miles working them....I wish you had told me about his living there before now...I would have made a wee pilgramage !!!
:P I have now "progressed" to an air rifle ( still a rubbish shot
, and much lazier too ), and shoot on a friends farm at the back of my house, he has a real rabbit problem....which is good for me...Hopefully up before the end of the year, with the boat ...
we could do a "trade" 
Yes it sure does, my mates are sick of me asking them if they want to come out a look, no shortage of them on a good day, but on a wet cold day they suddenly have other things on
Ive never been to where he stayed i must go sometime though.
Well bring your air gun up also, another passion of mine do a fair bit of that also!
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William, Great pics , BUT, whats with the gloves for handling your ferret ??? was it a biter ??:)
Brian Plumber (sp) is a very good writer, with lots of humour in his books, which I thoroughly enjoy reading...
Might have to get you to take me out ferreting when I'm up at yours next !!! That is, if you dont mind !!
Hi Norrie, not a biter just bloody cold on a frosty january morning
Yes i really like brian plumers books, a lot of it is fiction or borrowed from other peoples experiances but i dont mind, there still top reads!!
He used to live up here in his later life about 10 miles from here, you will have fished no more than a few miles from his old house.
Norrie id be delighted to take you out ferreting next time your up, TBH th dogs and ferts have taken over from my fishing, whenever i have some spare time im off out with them, anytime you wish to go out just let me know.
will
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Hello Josh,
Not gonna comment about hunting because I don't see any difference between anything killing anything for anything other than survival, including fishing, but as I eat meat and fish I will not be a hypocrite.
But as a ferret owner whose intention was only ever to have it as a pet, I was wondering if you see your ferrets as pets or friends, or the dog for that matter.
My ferret has given me so much pleasure and entertainment, even though he bites me and draws blood every chance he gets. He just got the snip so I'm hoping his demeaner will settle somewhat. But the greatest pleasure I get is from walking him and being stopped by almost every person I come across, most esp by elderly people whose faces light up when they see little Farken, recalling memories of 'rabbiting' when they were kids. It's like they haven't seen a ferret in 50 years and some of them are surprised by me having him as a much loved pet, and while the idea of 'rabbiting' disturbs me a little, I have been curious about how people who keep ferrets for that purpose, relate to their ferrets when they are not working.
Does it make them vicious? I have been told not to feed my ferret raw meat, and that is why he bites, and people have told me they feed their ferrets live mice and chickens which I certainly couldn't do, but I just think they are fascinating animals, smart, funny and such personalities. They deserve to live in the house and be loved as a member of the family. Although my ferret goes nuts when I take him outside, he loves his walks and rolling around in the grass. I read that they don't recognise individual people until they are a year old but my ferret spends every waking moment with me. I also read that they get lost easily and can't survive 3 days on their own, so was delighted when he accidentally got one night at only 6 months of age and we found him curled up asleep on the front doormat the next morning.
Anyway, was just wondering how you relate to your ferrets and are they vicious?
Cheers,
Tracy.
I feed my three ferrets on raw meat, in my case rabbit, but any raw meat will do, chicken, mince etc etc, mine dont bite, i beleive raw feeding helps stop biteing, my dogs/ferrets are firstly pets the dogs all live in the house and are pampered like babys but i work them as i do the ferrets, they apart from my family are the most important things in my life, my whole world revolves around them
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your wrong sorry so long as the animal is chased to a awaiting gun or in some cases a bird of prey its completely ligitimate ,no laws are without loop holes and they will be exploited all the time they exist
the all encompassing part is the fate of the animal, shooting ok ,getting killed by birds ok ,hounds no!
you dont flush a fox from underground you send in terriers to contain it then shoot it ,if it escapes its shot by shotgun the hounds are held back.
its a compromise as most laws are ,you can course hares but so long as the hare is shot its ok ,nothing unlawfull about flushing animals or birds from cover other wise all the beaters on shoots would be arrested if they used fido to flush gamebirds from cover or even labs used to return shot birds
Yes chesters your right, i was just trying to simplify it, of course its a silly law which can easily be broken legally.
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Hunting rabbits, rats with one or more dogs is leagal, putting a terrier to ground to flush a fox to a waiting gun where game birds are present is legal, chasing a hare, mouse, or fox with one or more dogs is ileagal.
Just so we know my previous post is perfectly legit and legal, farmers have a responsibillity to DEFRA to control rabbits, which i glady help them to do, 6 rabbits will eat the same as one sheep in a day, so if a feild holds 100 rabitts thats the same as roughly 16-17 sheep on it, so they must be controlled, personally i dont want to rid the countryside of rabbits but if i can help control them to an acceptable number i am happy with that.
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Not quite sure about the dog chasing rabbit pics................pity we don't have sound on AN, then we could all hear the screams of terror................
Den
Each to there own Den, but its probably quite similar to the noise made by cattle/sheep/pigs etc as they are lined up one after the other awaiting the fate of the one in front as they are put to there death in an alien environment of a slaughter house, i know which way id rather go, and at least i know where my food comes from!
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i do the lot, i shoot, fish, ferret and work my dogs anything that gets me out of the house and into the open countryside im there, i have had it installed in me from an early age that anything i catch be it fur fin or feather should only be done so if it is going to be used, otherwise leave it well alone and i practise this to this day (apart from rats
).Heres a few pics of my team......................
i have 3 ferrets 1 lurcher and 3 jack russells, and wouldnt be without any of them, Norrie i have almost all of Brian plummers books, great reads they are too!!
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Thurso angler - And I am sure that there are others that think the same!
I don't!
Fair enough, i wont loose any sleep over you differing opinion
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i dont really blame them, until you find yourself in a similar situation i dont think any of us can judge?
if people were happy to doante the money then wheres the problem? i hardly think they are sitting back thinking, brilliant we have nearly a million pounds in the bank lets go on a world tour? given the choice im sure they would have much rathered have there child back.
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excellant news ken, delighted for you!
Scrabster Nippers - Catch Report 30/09/07
in Sea Fishing
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well done davey, good trip that by the looks of it, ill have to follow you one day
