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it is the hypocrisy of the whole thing that gets me while trying to promote and develop a fishery with one hand and destroying it with another.
Regards, Clem.
Yep thats good old commercial fishermen, sums them up realy dont it
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Not fit for purpose. This is the company that spends tax payers money and lose's it.
http://www.thisiswesternmorningnews.co.uk/...;pNodeId=249131
Can you really trust them with the silver.
No, but what are you or anyone else gonna do about it? get rid of them in a couple of years time and replace them with what? i am not voting in an election ever again (wont achieve anything i know) but atleast i will know it was not me that had given them a mandate, if everyone did not vote at all i wonder what would happen?
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Your in box is full mate and Id like to get in touch via Pm.
Empty now glen
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Happens all the time Stavey in some cases they are worse than anglers.
Oh realy wurzel i suppose you mean our continental friends maybe? i can see those problems getting even worse in the not to distant future. still that will be your problem i am pretty much past caring nowadays infact i dont realy know why i am on thses forums anymore cheerio.
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That people should starve by turning our food resources into a playground and just import all the food from areas we don't see/care about , and of course export all our problems and waste (as a kind favour of course
in return ?Wonderful.
What food resources we allready import most of it jaffa
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'Lack of quota is killing us off, not lack of fish'
These guys don't have quota restrictions.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtm...22/eamud122.xml
It's a shame that as the resource declines, that the most sustainable, but also the marginal fishermen, are the first to go
Well i never! a commercial fisherman blaming other commercial fishermen for the lack of fish, quick make a frame someone
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Hi BarryYes they are linked they are all called anglerssteveHi Stavey
Hello steve, the dole fiddling rod and line bass bashers i am refering to are not a commercial rod and line fishermen or an rsa imo, just your regular w**kers cheating the system and there are quite a few of these from boat and shore, they also use nets to steve
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most of our bass is caught as a by catch,we have a few boats that drift them and most of their catch is smaller ones .they are snapped up localy and fetch a good price .the larger ones are only wanted by a few resturants,and they only want a few the others go to france and they dont make the money,they have boats targeting bass constantly,so our prices are kept low. the public has set the standard they want, tv cooking shows use farmed bass or small fillets,look in your local super store ,bass from greece, easy to cook,convenient size,moderatley priced.so at least we take a cross section of the stock.but i will admit that the way things are going with cods more boats may choose to target them,were not really a bass fishery, eastbourne is, they seem to corner the market and do catch a large number of them.small and large alike and alot of them are line caught. the public also need to learn more about fish preperation and not just by fish prepared for the pan or barbie.
Hi hastfish, eastbourne was once a good place for bass but that was many years ago, and i am not on about those immature schoolies that you and eastbournes dole fiddling rod and line boys catch either, cheers..........
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sussex regs are1.5 mt below the water at any state of tide,and that is a fair way out for our boats we also have ski buoys,that we have to be back of with nets,not pots.most of the time in our area its parttimers,hobby boats that try to push this and never seem to get tugged by the fisheries as there out and back before there finished checking us.
Hi hastfish, this byelaw is for the months may to september only the rest of the time the beaches can be netted up to the high water mark, it was put in because of the game anglers ie, sea trout i think? anyway its for fixed nets not for drifting, trawling, sein, etc, fwiw its a crap byelaw imo. the golden mile would be good for both commercials and anglers down south, even if it does not provide one extra fish for the beach anglers? atleast commercials and hobby netters wont be getting the blame for it as they do now, so much. it could even repair the damage that has been done with the overall relations between the two and lead to better understandings etc, so what you got to lose hastfish? as far as i see it you and the other commercials in this area have a chance to gain from it.
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is some going to start a sensible debate on the golden mile then. i for one would like to hear just what the rs,anglerswould like..but lets be senscible and remember its got to be able to go aboat thererights to be there anglers ,commercials,hobby fisherman an all
Hi hastfish, why dont you start a new thread and see what people have to say about it? i will give you my answer why i think its a very good idea there cheers........
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If you pay tax then you paid for it
Thanks jaffa for reminding me, is that meant to make me feel guilty in some sort of way? how about what you think chris? do give a fig?
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More details here:
One word (which includes the fishermen that participated and still do) BASTARDS!!!!!!!
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er, I used to teach Guitar stavey
ps That's real finger-picking guitar, not with those metal strings that keep breaking!
pps Mind you I did once have a Hofner club 60, Oh! and a 12 string
Well there you go good on ya leon, i picked up a guitar because i saw how jimi h and eric clapton done the biz so you can guess what style i ground my teeth on, i liked chet atkins and messers travis and co, and les paul himself i think was a very underated fingerstyle player, as john miles wrote music was first love, ditto here leon, and keep on playing the real thing, cheers........
ps.I had an hofner to when i was a kid but i remember mine was awfull to play like an old vox teardrop i also had.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yo...ire/7180097.stm
Good on the man. He has my full backing. With the modern rantings about 'rights' , why should smokers have their rights violated and be forced out onto the street and look like leppers?
I actually saw the above on our local / regional news (Look North) and a NON-SMOKER agreed with the idea of the landlord.
What actually IS the bigger picture to this law? Is it the health & safety exec flexing it's new found muscles?
Anyhoo , good on the landlord , lets have more like him.
As a guitarist playing in pubs and clubs since the mid late seventy's, imo the introduction of the smoking ban has definitely changed things for sure, some local pubs to me are losing over a grand a week in takings others not so much, i found that the outside smoking facility standards, does make a big diference ie, if there is a shelter then its not such a problem (it can have a roof and three sides apparently) but if your in the street then its a big problem. fwit, they should have left the decision down to the pub owners if you want smoking then have if not dont, what ever i will carry on playing in pubs and clubs and smokers will come out for a puff in the breaks along with the band members for a civilised chat along with a surprising amount of non smokers, and no w*****g government are gonna stop that, cheers.........
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Yeh right leon, i'l get rid of my gibson les paul and sg then, if you ever consider learning the real thing? pm me and i'l see if i can fit you in for a few lessons, your never to old to rock! begginer to a band in six months, theres more chance of this than a golden mile
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Why not email Jonathan Shaw and tell him what you think about his performance so far as the new fisheries minister. Remind him that there are a million anglers with a vote!
jonathan.shaw@defra.gsi.gov.uk
No point colin mr shaw has no brain, and my mp is anti sea angling
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Leon has just emailed the latest move by the under 10m fishing fleet, one comment that brought a smile to my face was made by Eastbourne MP Nigel Waterson who said:
My answer to that is quite simple, no fish stocks no commercial fishermen, if there is nothing left to catch their viability will down the drain.
I do however have a certain sympathy with them when it comes to the division of the cod quota, there is an imbalance which needs to be addressed which allows a viable living for the under 10m mob whilst protecting fish stocks.
This had a certain ironical twist as well
Well they got there own way once again with a 1000 kilo a month hike, typical we ask for 4cm's and get jack they ask for a ten fold increase and get it.
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Is it correct to assume that if more quota is given to the less than 10 meter boys, that there will be a lot more gill nets inshore and as a result this will mean anglers and fishermen completing for fewer and fewer fish than we have already.
naturaly bob i would say
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Went fishing today, top end of the channel, first time since november due to the weather. There were three boats, result, codling all one size, no mixture, is that what the argument is about, commercially all of these one class fish are now being argued over. These are the ones that haven't had chance to breed yet. Plenty more fish in the sea? Been waiting for the winter run of cod, ain't happened yet. Does anyone think it will. The skipper has said that this is all he has seen this year.
Hi Stavey treid google but i could not get all the info, defra section has timed out, don't know if there is a direct link. I have found that there was a court case but no detail. Thanks.
Try this article barry even though it was written in favour of the two chaps who got done, whether fairly or not? it also says a lot for sfc's
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Hello Barry
The arguments are about being allowed to catch enough fish of ALL species to earn a honest living not just cod.
Hi wurzel, do those hastings boys still have a bigger sole quota then you nowadays? or am i thinking of something else?
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Leon has just emailed the latest move by the under 10m fishing fleet, one comment that brought a smile to my face was made by Eastbourne MP Nigel Waterson who said:
My answer to that is quite simple, no fish stocks no commercial fishermen, if there is nothing left to catch their viability will down the drain.
I do however have a certain sympathy with them when it comes to the division of the cod quota, there is an imbalance which needs to be addressed which allows a viable living for the under 10m mob whilst protecting fish stocks.
This had a certain ironical twist as well
nigel waterson my mp i think has a vested interest in boats so i have been told? paticulary on the insurance side of things whether that makes a difference or not i dont know? as for mr joy? well just do a google search about landing illegal cod and a fine. apparently joy and his merry men are being backed by the local ssfc no surprises there though ken, cheers........
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Here at whitby we have a prohibited area for trawling which runs from sandsend to staithes which i would say is approx 5 miles long and out to 3 mile the 3 mile limit is all allways touch and go simple because the 3 mile limit starts at the low water mark but in some places the tide actually bares off further in some places than others i dont know why they dont take it from a 3 mile radar reading from the land its a strange one this closed area was put there for cod to spawn in the winter months at one time when the area was first closed there was talk of a full 3 mile limit round our coast but was shot down.
Hi bc, atleast you have an area that has some sort of protection from the trawlers we have very little here and the beamers trawl up to the shingle all the way along and its nice and easy for them to, no rock hopping gear needed, i think this adds to problems in more ways then one for example the under tens have to put their set nets awfully close to try and avoid being towed away so its not just the anglers that suffer, but there you go, cheers.......
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Hi Stavey,
Scotland used to have a "Golden three miles"; ie trawlers were not supposed to work inside three miles, but it just didnt work as the enforcement was never there. They scrapped it sometime in the 1980's i think (my memory sucks) , becuase it just was'n't working. The joke was that they binned it just as the rockhopper gear was first being developed!
Got to love government run fisheries. Not
If your for the gm then you better come up with some serious answers on how its supposed to work, or else its just going to be a legislation pipeline for the greens to end RSA as we know it imho.
Fair comment chris, as you say policing and enforcement is the thing that seems to let everything down in the past and nowadays, its a shame about the golden three miles as you put it was not allowed a fair go, i am sure the clyde would be brimming with fish now maybe, and us southerners could have learned something off you guys up there, yes i know about what has been proposed by the trawlermen up there with laying off areas where they encounter a lot of juvenile fish but i have my doubts about that, cheers......
SFCs & DEFRA don't give a TOSS
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Why dont you hastings commercial boys tell the sfc and get the stupid bylaw updated so that these cowboys wont bother to steel your gear and operate from the beach anymore, the bylaw about headroom depth is only in operation from may to september, it needs to be extended to all year round, i suggested it to the ssfc a couple of years ago and i got told to pretty much **** off, now if it came from a commercial it may be viewed differently? i think you will find most beach anglers would support it, cheers........