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If anglers can pick clean a wreck 25 miles off why can't they pick clean a mark from the
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They cant wurzel, if there is **** all there mate can they? as an example local club match the other day, 25 seriously good match anglers fished for five hours resulting in three bootlace eels and one just sizeable sole, conditions ideal with a nice bit of colour from a nice s/w chop on a rising tide, that equates to me as CRAP!! fishing and to any other person who as an ounce of sense, the problem has always been the local nets around here and i say balls!! to any license unless nets are got rid out to atleast a mile, preferably three! why dont you fishermen grow up and accept some of the blame for making this country's shoreline a barren desert for fish stocks, until you do i dont see any point in you guys trying to have constructed dialogue with sea anglers what so ever, ta ta................
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I was making a light hearted dig at those who wanted to rid the Sea Fishing Forum of conservation and politics, have to admit it is a lot quieter over there.
Hello ken
I pop over on there about once a month just to see if there is anything a lttle different going on and if so leave the odd comment, but mostly it is the same old same old apathetic people on there most of the time posting the same old repeated crap! (same as the magazines) you know things like, how can i cast further!! and how can i dig lug!! and a few pictures of people looking chuffed with there catches of immature cod and bass (excluding the odd good sized mullet that is) Also,obviously posts made by those who have a financial interest in the hobby are going to be a little biased towards things being a lot rosier than they realy are (cant blame them i suppose) anyway elton got duped by a few sponsers perhaps? to move the political/conservation side of things and so here we are, fwiw i feel both parts of the forum has suffered a little for it and i can see a steady gradual decline for the sea side of things on anglers net for the future i am sorry to say, much like the rsa in general
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News release added here:
http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/News/treaty_of_rome_protest.html
Quote, our industry has been all but wiped out with fish stocks pushed close to extinction through over-fishing
Well Well, the uk commercial fishermen admitting that the fish stocks are "f**ked" what next?
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I'd contact your local EA office, they'd have to be involved in the stocking (or at least they have to give permission) I'd imagine they would be able help and maybe able to do all you want and more for not much or even free?
Rich
Hi rich, will do thanks very much
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Hi all
A farmer friend of mine has a small spring fed lake on his land located in the sussex weald, he has given me the ok to do some work on it and if everything is alright i will stock it with carp tench and roach and use it as a private little fishery for myself with the family and few friends.
First would it be right to get the water tested? if so can anyone tell me where i could get this done? the water looks very clear, the farmer recons that there is a lot of copper in the streams that feed it but i think he might mean iron? also only a very small part of it receives any direct sunlight from spring to late autumn as it is shrouded by a canopy of trees blocking the suns rays, should i get rid of a lot of this? i dont think there is any fish already resident as it looks lifeless and there is not much plant life either, apart from a few reeds in the margin at the end where the bit of sun gets, the bottom appears to be clay in between the heavy covering of dead leaf's, the lake is only about half an acre and i stick tested to a couple of feet out from the bank and there seamed a couple of foot of water detph.
I would be greatful for any advice about fish stocking for a lake of this size and what size and species would be best suited? i would hope that carp would be ok in it along with a few tench and maybe roach but i am all new to this sort of thing and i have'nt a clue but i am willing to learn as i go on, so fire away anyone please i am all ears thanks, stavey.......
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Nice One Andrew
Here in Paphos, I've seen a few mullet come in.
THE method is to cast out a piece of floating breadflake, about 6ft from a controller float, attach a bell to the rod and sit down to a game of chess with other mullet anglers.
When the bell goes, the fish is wound in, dropped into a plastic bag and left to flap around whilst the angler rebaits, recasts and goes back to playing chess.
Just the odd fish coming in and not of any great size.
(Fortunately I've not bought a rod with me, otherwise the temptation to show just how mullet can be caught might have proved too great, to the future detriment of local mullet stocks)
But I'm itching to get back to the Medway now
Hi leon
It is a good job you did'nt take any mullet gear, as the saying goes the greeks dont want no freaks
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I'm very happy to have a guest Stavey, Pm me your contact details if you have a free date one Sat or Sunday. Will need to plan well in advance.
Cheers the rest of you.
Dave M is a Mullet angler who walks the talk, the number of large Mullet to his name is fantastic.
So my target for the year was a 7, I put in the hours, effort and experitmentation, but with Mullet nothing can be taken for granted, ever. I have some new ideas plus swims i want to try, I know that come Aug/Sept there is a posability of some huge fish. To reach my target with the first of the year is luck, a real fluke. A few more flukes like that won't go amiss!! Right place - right time and all that.
The best thing about the Mullet fishing is the concentration . . hours of preparation, followed by hours of intense nothing ( you know what I mean ), then a tiny, tiny knock ( or was it, was you mind playing tricks? has the heat fuddled your brain? ), you stare at the rod tip,the background of moving water is enough to send most sane people slightly wonky. Like a float in a ripple. But there is goes again, a slight movement . . and again, a protracted tremble, without looking you feel for the reel seat, adjust your fingers and lift into . . . . . . ????????????????
Hi andrew
I will pm you later about meating up for a bash defo
i know exactly what your on about as far as those tiny knocks are concerned ( especially from those very wary big fish) had a few yesterday when i went down the sussex ouze for a short spell but i failed to make contact with any fish, maybe next time? it looks like the weather is going to hold for the rest of the week and in to the weekend so i will get out a couple of more times and try and get my first for 2007 cheers.......... -
Respect andrew what a beaut!! and a great start
i would not mind popping along there sometime this year for a go hey! maybe we could organize a meet for all the mullet heads? i will even have my hair cut to match the event for a bet -
My mistake. I was unaware that you and sheer hard work and graft had ever been introduced. I humbly apologise.
As regards comparing our respective sea times, nobody in Whitby will ever believe you. Go and shake your head.
With regard to selling my business, after 38 years of nothing but ‘sheer hard work and graft’, I feel I have put my time in and am entitled to retire. I now have the opportunity and finances to pursue a few hobbies, one of which is going angling with my many friends here and throughout the rest of the world. I am sure you will wish me well in my retirement.
JB
Hello john and michele
Congratulations on your retirement, now you can go on very nice long holidays to the far corners of the earth sampling what some of are antipodean friends regard as real rsa!! perhaps you could report back about there very strict and worthwhile conservation methods and laws that has brought about such excellent sea angling? or you could just forget about this dungheap of a country? (i would not blame you in the least mate) good luck and all the best
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I want you to tell me how you do it.
Its easy stoaty, try and find a beach that is not riddled with nets mate then you just might have a chance? that is if you can find one, cheers..........
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Hello Barry
As normal with rsa you are wrong.
The amount involved might not be significant compared to the national dept or even the total value of all commercial fish landed in the UK, but to individual small time inshore fishermen it could easily cost him 5 or £600 from his weeks work which is significant to them.
Hi wurzel
As normal with commercials its all about MONEY!! and they will kill anything that swims to get it, the size or maturity of the species has little irrelevence to them imo this cannot be denied, i guess in time when whats left of the industry finally goes belly up the sea might just get a little rest but unfortunately it will probably take the rsa with it
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Greens or commercials?
Could I have your opinions on who you think cause the biggest threat to RSA and angling as we know it?
Or do you not think there is any significant threat at all?
Regards.
Hi challenge
the rsa in my area's quality is very poor and has been for a very long time, all of this time the commercials have been ever present were as the greens are only just getting started, so you can make your own conclusions on who is the most likely to have caused the problem around here, if things stay the same as regards the commercials with no restrictions ie, mpa's/golden mile/proper mls increases? then the rsa will die off within the next few decades, you and your customers may be happy steaming hundreds of miles for a few cod but you are in the main a very SMALL minority as regards the rsa if i had to realy choose between the greens and the commercials to run the shop it would have to be the former as i have found no evidence that the latter could be trusted what so ever to look after our inshore marine waters for the benefit of all, they have held the reins at the sfc's for decades and look were that has got us!! cheers........
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Hi Stavey Not sure of the exist boundaries (maybe big cod might know) It stretches from Sandsend Ness up to Boulby which is approximately 8 miles.
see:
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?cli...;multimap.y=257
Hi glen
I lifted this trawling byelaw off the nesfc website, its a little bit gobbledy goop to read for my untrained brain, but maybe you or anyone else might be able to put it in laymans terms, anyway i think its saying there are some trawling restrictions out to three mile maybe? whats your interpretation of it any ideas????????
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Not quite sure what they are talking about although it could be the No trawl zone from Sandsend ness to Boulby in the north. Its not a commercial free zone as gill netters and long liners can use the area. Supposedly no trawlers can use it although many do and quite often, and in the past significant representatives of the fishing industry have been prosecuted for trawling in there (I wonder which one it was - Don't take much figuring out.)
Is the area beneficial for anglers ?? well some of the best cod fishing from the shore is to be had in that area there is no doubt and a significantly high proportion of the bigger cod caught by shore anglers comes from that area. Whether that is due to the no trawl zone is debatable as it just so happens to be the best ground for the cod, ie lots of kelp, lots of deep Gulleys close to shore and lots of water colour provided by discharge from the local potash mine which the fish seem to love. No research has been done on this so its all about how we find the area on a personnal level. Fishing in recent year isn't a patch on what it once was though.
Hi glen
How big an area does this sandsend ness to boulby trawl exclusion zone cover ie, in miles? it would be nice to have any sort of exclusion zone down here even if the policing of such is crap glen.
As you say your coast is a bit more rugged, with that as well as this (albeit poorly policed trawl exclusion zone) you guys up north have atleast some hope and its no wonder that you still have some half decent fishing left, its also different down here with its nice sandy easy no risk shoreline with those torrid little beamers dragging the f**k out of the ground right up to the groynes, we have jack protection and the lack of the last few decades of quality shore fishing results can prove it, cheers...........
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I thought this bit was interesting, perhaps some of the lads in the north east can elaborate ie, do they have a golden mile already that us silly old southerners dont know about?
quote from mr salter mp
Why do we not go further than the provisions in the marine Bill and create a golden mile—an area, let us say for argument's sake, a mile from our coast, free of commercial exploitation and inshore netting, where only recreational sea angling is permitted?
That approach has already been adopted in Yorkshire and the north-east and is producing tremendous results, not just for the recreational sea angling sector, but for commercial fishermen, who are enjoying better fishing as a result of better and more productive spawning grounds.
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Hello Stavey
With regards to aims and objectives it's still early days, apart from Alan's philosophy which he states on the website. The official launch isn't until 11th July this year, I expect there will be more news by then. The main thing is, NUBA will strive to give the anglers a voice, rather than their so called representatives. The dog will be wagging the tail as opposed to the tail wagging the dog. So, what do you want the aims and objectives to be?
I've agreed to help them out on the sea angling front, and I'll make damn sure that they do truly represent sea anglers, or else I'm out of there. Speaking with Alan Suttie, and listening to his ideas, has been refreshing to say the least compared to all the other bullshit I've listened to over the last 4 or 5 years. Give him a call, his number is on the website.
Hi steve
There are sh*t loads of ngo's and petitions cropping up nowadays voicing there opinions about all that is environmentle these days, but they all fail to achieve little if not any of there aims imo, the question that must be asked is why?
I suppose it all comes down to getting enough support behind them and "keeping" that support and it being listened to from the start and all the way through, and how its used to shape there aims etc.
I have allways thought that if a high level celeb type of person could be brought on board? (a bit like a sea angling version of "jamie oliver" i think fish are just as important as overweight kids indeed a cure to some of the latter could be found by the former) to highlight the problems and promote the rsa on tv more directly this would make a huge difference, so i am glad to see a couple of these guys have put there names forward for this nuba thing, but it does depend on how active these chaps are when they are in the limelight so to speak.
As for aims and objectives i would like to see? well nothing new steve that i have allways wanted, and i guess like no other chap who has fished the beaches and shoreline of this island for over the past three/four decades and that is, a chance to catch a few decent sized fish from it now and then mate like the good ole days, how this can be achieved imo is through a few simple measures that have been mentioned and proposed on this very forum and elsewhere, but the difference as got to be in the way and weight of its backing if it is to have any chance of it being achieved and successfuly implemented, cheers........
Ps i will gladly donate the price of my sunday lunchtime pint this week and join nuba and i will see if i can have a chat to alan suttie on the dog and bone sometime.
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That's assuming they don't skin their tope and pass them off as smouthounds if the tope byelaw comes in.
Surely they would'nt do that
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Sensibly put steve, nuba does seem to have some high level members which is good!! never heard of it until i saw this thread, on the sea angling side of things what ideas do they have regards aims etc have thet set any yet? cheers.......
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Hi glennk
quote/ Why does Ben Bradshawe listen to these people ?
Despite what alot of people may think about this issue, Mr Bradshaw knows that there are alot of honest fishermen still about
steve
You keep saying that steve, but it seems to me that there is an awfull lot of prosicutions going on lately and i am begining to think they are only the tip of the iceberg matey, you and wurzel may end up being the only legit law abiding fishermen out there
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Hi stavey
Thats a good link you posted there.
The undermentioned post is written WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
Not much we can do about aggregate dredging to much money invovled and maybe the greens know it to, from their point of veiw it maybe better to trade that off so as they get what they want.
You cannot beat the system which is----
This is my view and belief---- The goverment sets the numbers for how many new houses need to be built, that needs aggregate, goverment issue licences to aggregate dredging companies after those companies submit an enviromental impact study, dredging companies pay the goverment monies, (£1,178,677,942 millions over 13 year period) the dredging companies receive more than 5 times that amount, I believe thats called a QUANGO.
I believe the new enviromental role that DEFRA have taken on is only to consolidate the goverments vested financial interests in the continuance of exploiting the revenue they receive from dredging operations.
I am of the opinion that the Marine Bill and the Vision to 2027 is the mechinisim which may achieve the above I therefore believe that these two consultations have a predetermined outcome. It is my belief that the goverment and DEFRA's position is compromised, how can they have a vested interests and bring in new laws on the enviroment.
I believe the goverment signed up to the Bi and Geo-diverversity Plan at the Earth Summit which means that they have undertaken to protect the marine enviroment how can they do that when they are making so much money from an eco-system destroying actitive such as is aggregate removal from the sea-bed
You cannot beat big BUCKS.
Steve
Hi steve
All believable mate, so not much can be done perhaps to stop the the continued destruction by this aggregate dredging? perhaps mother nature will bite back? i mean a lot of these new houses that this aggregate may be intended for are being built on flood plains etc, with the rising sea levels it may just come and claim it back, trouble is those fat cat bosses of these aggregate company's would have made there fortunes by then and they realy could not give a fig what ever happens after, hey ho cheers...........
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Banning handguns didn't cut down on their use though, did it?
If you want to Email an MP on the matter.
The address is quite often similar to 'bloggsj@parliament.uk', where Joe Bloggs is the name of the member.
EG browng@parliament.uk will find Flash Gordon.
Hi jim
I agree banning things does not put an end to anything, it just helps to drive it undergroung, its all just political bo**ocks as usual mate, cheers......
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Two words, "Poll Tax".
No they did not get rid of it, they just changed the name to council tax, and there has been quite a few protesters refusing to pay it over the years, and this has not stopped the government banging many very elderly grandma's and grandads up for a few weeks inside stir, so all this protesting aint gonna do jack, if and i feel more likely that they bring in the sea angling license they will do a few stings with fines of £2000 a go, and in no time everyone will be buying one, this nation of ours people are so surppressed and apathetic they will pay and they know it, we do it all the time, cheers..............
Will sea anglers march on the capital ?Sorry glen you must be having a laugh right?
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Hi nick
Aggregate dredging destroys everything.
Dregders suck the gravel sand, and single up and there is nothing living left, wether above or below the seabed even whole banks where bass would once fed on sandeels that came to breed there all gone. The complete eco-system is destroyed, what cannot swim is killed.
QUOTE/ Do they claim that the action they carry out doesn't cause significant harm to the marine environment?
No they dont because they cant the evidence is there for all to see.
50% plus of all aggregate dredging is exported to Holland and France because they will not destroy there marine eco-systems and breeding/fishing grounds.
The goverment make monies on ever ton landed. The goverment issue the licences,
My local dredging company is French owned
And the GREENS are very quite on this subject to be busy bashing and blaming the commercials I suppose
Anything else you need to know about dredging just ask
Hi steve
You make a fair point about the aggregate dredging and the damage it causes, i agree with you, i would like to see the whole thing banned period, but you are wrong to think the greens are ignoring it check this site out!!
http://www.marinet.org.uk/mad/madbrief.html
One of the worrying things for me and probably you is that these bo**ock head company's are due to get new licenses granted to them to opperate the whole of this industry and expand it, in the southeastern channel it looks like we will be all fcuked mate.
I did not realise how much a threat this aggregate dredging realy was until now, and all the rsa,s and commercials that live between the i.o.w and dover should be very worried indeed, maybe we have found something that both the rsa and commercials can agree on and perhaps do something about it? over to you cheers...............
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-->QUOTE(Norm B @ Apr 10 2007, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't tell a NMC member that you eat mullet, they'd cry. Seriously, as Matt says, those caught in open water or OK to good, depending on the cook. Harbour and estuary ones are muddy to awful but a good sauce can hide a multitude of sins. 
Hi norm
This one would do more than cry matey, and if anyone values there health they would not eat any mullet what so ever they consume large amounts of algae that forms on effluent thats washed down our rivers/estuary's to the shore etc, cheers...........
Would you pay a licence fee?
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Posted · Edited by stavey
Hi challenge, i presume that those 70 stone of cod in this instance where all knocked on the head and filleted to pieces? i dont want to go over old issues but is it not about time some of you old ex commercials promoted a bit of conservation? was it realy that necessary to take all those fish because of pure money? could those anglers not except just taking a couple each and putting the rest back or are we talking of greed once again and f*** tomorrow? cheers....................