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Last reminder of this comp this coming Sunday 2nd December
With a £1000 in cash prizes and a brilliant prize table of around £3000 its got to be worth a go
Even the charity raffle has £600 worth of Penn gear
Oh and dont forget the free to enter photo comp where you could win a tackle voucher
Martin
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30 knots! Isn't that above the speed limit? I like that. 
no speed limit in the harbour this time of year, I guess it's because the Birmingham navy have all but gone home 
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All being well, I'LL BE THERE. Norm
Your ride was launched on Friday and has had sea trials over the weekend with the skipper giving rave reviews. I saw it gunning through Poole Harbour at around 30 knots and she looked superb.
Martin
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Poole Bay Small Boat Angling Club boat- fishing open competition
The Annual Poole Bay Small Boat Angling Club Boat- Fishing Open Competition will held on Sunday December 2nd from Baiter Park in Poole.
Over the years this has grown and been developed to become one of the biggest and best supported annual events that the south coast has to offer the Recreational Sea Angler. It is an event that brings the whole angling community together and is open to private and charter boats.
This is a specimen competition which is judged on the best % weight based on the NFSA specimen weight list. It is split into two categories which are best flatfish and best round-fish. This means there is just as much chance of winning with a good flounder from Poole harbour as there is with a big cod from deeper water. This also means it can be fished in most weather conditions and it is suitable for most boats.
This year’s competition, as always, focuses on "Best Specimen Fish," helping to insure future stocks. Only fish of at least 50% of the Wessex Specimen size are allowed to the scales and only one fish of a particular species can be weighed in. Some of our more resourceful anglers manage catch and then later release at the weigh station at Baiter Park on the shore of the harbour. It is quite a spectacle seeing a 15lb Undulate Ray swim off or a 40lb Conger Eel head to a new home in the harbour.
This year’s competition has been tremendously well supported by local companies, marine electronics manufacturers, major tackle manufacturers and online stores.
Local Sponsors include:
Southern Motorboats
Salterns Marina
Parkstone Bay Marina
Bournemouth Fishing Lodge
Wessex Angling
Poole Sea Angling Centre
Weymouth Angling Centre
Indespension Trailers
Clinton Computers
Animal
Marine Electronics Manufacturers include:
Lowrance
ICOM
MES
Online Magazines / Stores Include:
http://www.worldseafishing.com
Tackle Manufacturers Include:
Penn*
Diawa
The Poole Bay Small Boat Angling Club are known for their donations to charities and good causes over the years, such as RNLI, Tsunami appeal, Bass Restoration fund, NFSA conservation fund.
*This year we will also be running a charity raffle for some fantastic equipment put forward by Penn.
First class rods and reels have been supplied and all money raised from the raffle of these items at the prize giving will be donated to Myeloma UK via the appeal that local South Coast charter skipper, Spike Spears, has been so actively working on.
The starting point on the day will be at Baiter Park in Poole where we have arranged free parking for competitors. There will be hot bacon rolls and coffee on offer at the registration in the morning.
In the afternoon the weigh in is completed and the results recorded everyone meets in the warmth of the Mariner bar to grab a meal (which is provided) and discuss the days fishing.
The awards and prize giving presentation tops off a very enjoyable day.
The prize table is huge and with an entry fee of just £15 per angler (plus optional pools for best flat fish and best round fish) it is truly a great opportunity to get in on the action.
Baiter Park has launching and parking facilities (free on the day for competitiors courtesy of Poole Borough Council) for trailerable boats or you can keep your boat afloat at one of the local marinas.
Many of the Poole charter boats will also be taking part.
For more information visit us at http://www.pbsbac.co.uk for full competition details and rules or feel free to email me at martin.burt1@ntlworld.com
Martin
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Guys
Poole harbour def fishes best on the larger tides, Holton Mere for quantity Holes Bay for quality. Top end of harbour early in the flatty season ( till after chrissy) bottom end late season (Jan, Feb) Best way to fish is float especially now with water temp still quite high as lots of bait robbing crabs still around.
Reports coming in from our club members who ventured out last week-end is that flounders are still very sparse, def need some colder weather to bring them on the feed
Tight lines
Martin
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Have a look at this nearly complete article http://www.pbsbac.co.uk/modules.php?name=N...r=0&thold=0
Some usfull info there
Martin
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Hi Martin
That's a nice guesture from the council - a pity more aren't as 'angler friendly' (see Weymouth's response to the bass mls consultation)
Could I ask - is there any opportunity for catch and release of fish during the comp or do all fish weighed in need to be dead?
BASS would very much like to offer some sort of prize and award for the largest bass returned alive during the festival.
How would we go about contacting the organisers to offer this incentive?
Cheers
Steve
Hi Steve
Luckily the carpark man used to be an angler (new guy in place now) and we have been fortunate enough to have a good rapoir with his department
As a club we trust our members and run all our in club comps on a catch and release basis. Because this comp is an open and there are high value prizes we cannot work out how to run a competition on a catch and release basis and avoid the cheats,
we are open to suggestions though. However the rules of the comp state that as its a best specimen comp and only the anglers best single fish of each speices is elligable for the weigh in. Also the minimum size for weighing a fish in is 50% of specimen based on the nfsa list for the wessex area. We also practice fast tracking for those that bring live fish to the weigh in ie they go to the front of the queue.If BASS are interested in putting up some sort of prize/award then as Scotty says email me and I will forward it to the relevant person.
Martin
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-->QUOTE(Norm B @ Oct 9 2006, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's good news, it's nice to hear of a council supporting angling instead of making money out of it. Hi Norm
Poole have been quite good to us over the years, they have give us this for 6 years now. Shame we can't get a new slipway out of them though
Will you be fishing it this year? Could probably get you on a club boat if you were struggling for offers
Martin
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On November 12th Poole Bay Small Boat Angling Club is holding it’s annual open boat competition There are some fantastic prizes with sponsorship form all the local tackle shops, Icom, Lowrance, Indespension, MES electronics and the list goes on and on . The club is also putting up £500 cash split into two prizes. We reckon to have a total of well over £2000 of prizes Winners will be judged on a best specimen basis with separate prizes for flat and round fish. Cost to enter is £15 per head and you can fish from either your own or charter boat. There are also optional pools for heaviest flat and heaviest round fish with the pools monies being paid out 100%. Registration will be at Baiter slipway Poole from 7am. We have negotiated from the Borough of Poole free use of the slipway and car parking. For full details visit our clubs website at pbsbac.co.uk
Thanks
Martin
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Hi Scott
Glad you got through that one ok, as you say hopefully others can draw on your experience.
Could I ask you to post this on our clubs site as well. We are arranging an anchor teach in soon and a shared experience like this could just shock some inexperienced members to join in.
Cheers
Martin
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Braid
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I would agree with Scott Whiplash Pro is excellent stuff. I use 30lb for all my Ray and cod fishing and have never had a problem. 25lb for bass and lighter fishing.
Do you use a leader? Braid is not the best for taking abrasion 10-20' of mono slightly lighter than the main line is the way to go. Also although you say you have checked your rings, if they are of the ceramic variety it will only need the minutest bit of damage they will then cut like knife through butter. Tip ring is the most usual suspect
Martin
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Why would a FPO officer have "concerns" over current stock levels unless they happened to be particularly interested in the subject? As a cynic I miight imagine their main concern may have been to keep you happy; They get paid either way.
At their end of the day your account of the day will surely count for little when the consulation is weighed up, if its just hearsay?
Whats your opinion, experience and thoughts on on the state of the flatfish stocks on the Guernsey banks?
Why would the fpo want to keep us happy? he could have done that by not boarding and taking up our hard earned leisure time.
My comment regarding the fpo's comments was only given for information on my experiences on the alderney banks.
Regarding my thoughts on the flatfish stocks I can say I have noticed no difference in catch rates experienced on our trips over the past three years. Cant comment on what they may have been like prior to this. From my experience the assumed catch rates of rsa's on the banks have been estimated at the top end of whats possible as we have yet to experience a bonanza day on the flats as reported by some.
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I can follow the arguement that there is no case for the impostion of a Bass bag limit and am willing to believe this consultation may have began in the RSA/Commercial dispute over that one bass fishery,; but what about the big flatfish?
I was on a boat fishing the Alderney banks in may of this year. The boat was boarded by fisheries protection officers who wanted feedback on the (at that time proposed) proposals. They got their feedback and when quizzed about flatfish stocks their response was they had no concerns over current stock levels and that this had all started because of mumblings from the commercial element. Oh and they never even examined the fishhold either
Martin
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I have been given permission form Paul Whittall to post a copy of the following email:
Dear Stakeholders/Customers.I know you are busy people but here is some background information which may be of interest to you. It may provide you with an insight into what is going on and perhaps give you some additional information when you write your own response.
BACKGROUND
1. Accusations. On the 27th April Guernsey Press included an article in which it stated that the Guernsey Commercial fishing sector accused the UK charter boats of ‘decimating’ their fish stocks. The article ran to say that charter boats (UK charter anglers) were catching far more than they needed for their own consumption and were returning to the UK and selling their catches illegally through the ‘back door in the UK’. Despite this practice attracting a £5,000 fine 90% of the fish was being sold.
This story was repeated in the Fishing News on May 5th and appeared in the Sunday Express. It was also re-iterated on Guernsey Radio by Guernsey Deputy Minister Duncan Staples.
How do you feel about that? Do you like being accused of illegal selling of fish? Do you feel you are ‘decimating’ the Channel Island stocks?
The commercial sector ‘want to see this form of fishery stopped’ states Mr. Peter Munro, president of the Guernsey Fisherman’s Association.
We (PBA)have spoken to Guernsey Sea Fisheries about these accusations. They tell us there is no evidence other than hearsay to support this view. We (PBA) spoke to Southern Sea Fisheries. Apparently they had been directed by Guernsey Sea Fisheries to keep a close eye on returning UK charter boats through 2006 and to report any evidence of such activity. SSF (Southern Sea Fisheries) told US that they had reported back on a number of occasions that there was absolutely no hint of such activity taking place. (They sounded pretty angry about the whole thing when I spoke to them as clearly there is the implied criticism that they are not doing their job correctly).
We contacted Mr. Peter Munro (President, Guernsey Fisherman’s Assoc) to ask if he was happy the press were presenting his members’ views and if we might discuss matters. We had no reply.
Using Guernsey Sea Fisheries own statistics (available via their website on
http://www.gov.gg/ccm/commerce-and-employm...l-reprt-2004.en
which show that commercial landings of bass have increased dramatically since 2001 with a steady increase in turbot/brill, I argued with the Guernsey Press that their report was flawed. My letter was ‘edited’ to the point that all the details were removed!
I rang up Deputy Duncan Staples who admitted that his accusations against us were ‘based on hearsay’.
All the above undoubtedly motivated the publication of the Consultative Document. The source for it then is flawed and unfounded and based on accusations against us all that would be regarded as libelous /slanderous if it appeared in UK press.
2. The Boue Blondel fishery
The Boue Blondel is a mark to the west of Guernsey where bass congregate in the winter months and the Guernsey Commercial fishermen catch large numbers of bass. The Consultative Document itself states that 49 tonnes (20,000) bass was caught on rod and line there in ten weeks of winter fishing in 2004. The Guernsey Recreational anglers are incensed by this. They see it as ‘slaughter of breeding stocks’ and have made representations to Guernsey Sea Fisheries about this. The Boue Blondel issue dominates the Guernsey Forum.
There is a very real feeling that this continuous criticism by the local anglers has caused a reaction amongst the commercial sector. By accusing the visiting UK charter fleet of illegal and overfishing, it is felt by the Guernsey locals that this is a deliberate attempt to shift the focus away from the real ‘decimation’ of stocks.
The Consultative Document actually uses the Boue Blondel fishery as an example of how effective rod and line fishing can be to support its own argument in support of bag limits! We all know just how good the commercial rod and line angler is. With respect, it is not fair to compare the catch rate of a professional with the catch rate of a pleasure angler who may only bass fish a couple of times a year.
It would be worthwhile looking at the Guernsey Forum for the many comments about all this topic and Boue Blondel (http://www.fishing-guernsey.co.uk/forum).
3) Guernsey Sea Fisheries
Several UK charter boats have been boarded this season. In lengthy discussion with GSF we have been told that there is ‘No Fish Stock Problem!’ Any limits imposed on anglers would simply lead to a ‘redistribution of the resource’…i.e. we put the fish back; the commercials catch them.
The Guernsey Sea Fisheries published statistics state that the fish stocks on the Boue Blondel are but a tiny part of the breeding stock in the Channel…the commercial catch rate does little to damage the overall stock! Yet we are being asked to consider a TWO FISH LIMIT! Why? Surely it is clear that this is not a conservation measure but a pandering to a commercial minority.
FURTHER DEBATE
If you are interested in how much ‘interest’ this topic has attracted please check out the Anglers Net forum on
http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=66501
4) Distribution of Consultative Document.
The distribution list provided by Guernsey Sea Fisheries shows that the document has gone out to many commercial organizations. It may be that these organizations will support these proposals and will certainly write a response. It may well be that it is easier for them, as they are organized, to formulate a strong message. It is harder for us as we are all individuals scattered across the country. Therefore…PLEASE, PLEASE write in. If you’ve never become involved in anything to do with angling like this before…please do it this time.
The address is Senior Sea Fisheries Officer, Commerce and Employment Dept, Raymond Falla House, PO Box 459, Longue Rue, St. Martins, Guernsey GY1 6AF (Tel 01481 234567).
5) Possible Points to include
Your name (and occupation).
How many times you have been to the Channel Islands
How much you estimate you/your group have contributed to the island economy
Your views on the accusations leveled at you for illegal selling of your fish in UK
Your views on a two fish per species proposal…would you continue booking trips to the Channel Islands if such a proposal were implemented? Why, when all the written evidence provided states that the there is no problem with the stocks, are anglers being asked to consider such draconian bag limits?
The Consultative Document uses American Striped bass as an example of effective fish management in USA but then says that bag limits there were part of a ‘raft of measures’. Yes, the USA does employ bag limits as do many other countries but they also employ a range of other limitations applicable to both the commercial as well as the recreational sector in order to protect the fishery. What limitations are to be imposed on the commercial sector?
Please, fellow skippers, make suggestions and come back to me?
Martin
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Steve
In your post you have put boats as in more than one and in fact leads us to believe you think all or most charters are selling their fish. I am a regular visitor to the CI's fishing form charter boats and have never come across this. In fact quite the opposite most anglers are very conservation aware and most practice returning fish well above the legal limits. In fact the skipper I come over with insists on returning fish he deems to be juvenile again well above legal limits.
Your comments are offensive to the vast majority of Anglers and uncalled for. If you have information regarding illegal selling of fish do the honourable thing and shop them, don’t sling mud. You could also shop those that are buying the fish, as I believe this is also illegal.
Martin
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-->QUOTE(Norm B @ Jul 30 2006, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope a few lessons have been learned here.
By more than just the skipper and his anglers!
Martin
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You might like to visit the skippers website to get the full story before making brash statementsShark report
Martin
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Hi
I use whiplash pro and have loaded all my reels with either 20lb or 25lb, its thin and very reliable. I do though always use a leader to safe chafe on the main line
Martin
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Hi Martin,
I have been reading the write-up you did on your Warrior 195, and it sounds an awsome boat.
I currently have a Raider 18, which is also a really great sea-werthy boat, but only truely spacious for two anglers and all the gear, including floatation suits etc.
Im looking to upsize to the Warrior 195, and reading on the forum, you've made it your new-years resolution to use her more this season.
If you have sadly found that you still aren't using her enough, and would be happy to sell her, then i would be very happy to buy her from you.
Im affraid im a bit of a novice on chat forums, so would you be so kind as to contact me direct on my email.
crberry2002@yahoo.co.uk
Kind regards
CHARLES
Hi Charles
Unfortunately I have not used Maverick as often as I would have liked but hopefully weather permitting we will be 30 miles offshore from Poole this Sunday
Even though she is still underused I will keep her. I really can't find another boat in the size range that I would rather own. Bought a new Indespensionroller coaster 7 trailer at the end of last year which has made launching and retrieving slightly easier, 2 of us now manage no problem.
If you are ever down in the Poole area and fancy a run out to see if a 195 is for you then drop me a pm or email me martin.burt1@ntlworld.com
Not that many 195's made although they do come up for sale occasionally.
Happy hunting
Martin
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Hi Leon
I also suffer from sea sickness and it aint pleasant however if I take Stugeron I have no problem. I do not use them as suggested on the packet. I take 2 last thing on the night before travel. This gets it into your system then one or two on waking on the day of travel.
I recently went to Alderney on a four day charter day 1 with Stugeron no probs and it was quiet rough. Day 2 the forecast was for flat seas and no wind so never took anything, big mistake ill all day. Days 3 + 4 back on the tabs and all was ok. It works for me give em a go.
Some say its in the mind and so long as Stugeron stays in my mind I'm a happy bunny :-)
Martin
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It depends on what your fishing for, when and where.. Without this info the poll would be next to useless
Martin
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Can't believe it just over a week now until we go to Alderney, seems like I've been waiting ages, then all of a sudden its here! Happy Days
Havn't sorted any gear out yet, will save that until the weekend
Scotty
Scotty have fun but leave some fish for us
Make sure you book for evening meals as the better places fill up quick. The Harbour lights has closed 
so one less quality food place to go to. Maris Hall is a safe bet for english grub and for posh nosh try the First and Last lubberly rack of lamb uuummmmMartin
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Toerag
All understood.
Yes we unfortunately did have to pay for our shore bound days but we were aware prior to the trip that the weather was iffy and we may not get out every day. We actually formed the PBSBAC alderney ramblers association
We are all small boat owners so are aware of the pitfalls of boat fishing and some of us are even good anglers 
Martin
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Bill - you say that the charter skippers look after their marks, if that's the case why do they bother steaming all the way over here? Could it be that they've fished out the marks on their side of the channel?
Toerag
Definately not! I think you and some of the other channel islanders are looking for something that isn't there or at least not as bad as some would have us believe. You are definately reading the reasons anglers come to your island wrongly.
Our group comes over to Alderney regularly for the whole experience not just the fishing. It’s the camaraderie, the beer and the food that make up the whole package, it’s a holiday not a cash generating exercise. I have been to your island for three years running and have never had what I would call a bonanza in fact we have on some/most days really struggled but then we are fully satisfied when we catch the target species. The first year we visited we were island bound (due to weather) for 2 days out of four. That in effect gave us less than a days bank fishing with just a few small fish caught but still returned the following year. If we did it for the cash I for one along with a lot of other anglers would certainly go hungry. The fishing really isn’t as good as a lot would have us believe, the fish are there but certainly not easy to catch. We can catch Bass, tope, Bream, Flounder, Conger, Plaice all the rays and more besides at home in good numbers. We cannot however catch Brill or Turbot regularly. Part of the draw to the island for us is the chance to get away from the missus, the pressures of work and the chance to catch a Brill or Turbot. Our group doesn't bother to target any other species when fishing around your beautiful island and to be honest if we failed to catch a Brill or Turbot yes we would be disappointed but not devastated. We would still return the following year full of anticipation. You see we are anglers not fishermen as are most of the visiting crews aboard the charter boats. I know a lot of the charter skippers from Weymouth and Poole most of whom are responsible people trying to earn a living from taking anglers out to catch fish and would not knowingly allow an angler to sell their catch. In fact one skipper we use stated if he found out a party was selling their catch he would refuse to take them out again. I would class the skippers as dream makers, that’s what they try to do for us and that’s what we pay them for. However if you took away the chance for us to fulfil our dreams then I am afraid your island however beautiful would loose its appeal to most of us and your islands would lose our custom.
I would put our trips to the CI in the same category as someone who goes off to sunnier climes to catch their billfish or whatever else takes their fancy, our fancy is your beautiful islands and it’s flatfish.
Martin
Yesterday's Parliamentary Questions
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Posted · Edited by maverick of Poole
Strikes me the only option 1 million sea anglers have is to make sure they vote for anything other than labour at the next election. Then let them know one reason why they (labour) lost the election and tell the winners why they won our vote.
I for one have been shafted once to often by this shower of *****
A very angry
Martin