Sewinman
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It seems strange to attack paddlers for not contributing to the EA when only 1 and a bit million of a supposed 4 million anglers possess rod liscences.
The passage about damaging spawning grounds was removed following the publishing of the DEFRA report.
Also, the football pitch analogy does not hold water. A football pitch is not natural, it must be constructed with time, effort and money (trust me, I was a head groundsman) from a sole contributor, just like a house. That contributor then owns what he/she has built.
Paddlers are not suggest a right for everyone to come and sit in your living room, drinking tea made in your kitchen after having a good old paddle in your garden pond. We are proposing access for all to our natural heritage. If anglers pay any more than us, it should be to help replenish fih stocks (which you already do). Any other maintenance of the river environment should be an obligation of the EA (or some other, new body), paid for by river liscences and taxes, complemented by voluntary working parties composed of all river users.
If rivers are 'natural' then they would not require maintenance - as you acknowledge they do.
Canoeists have set a precedent of buying the 'right' to canoe through the above purchase. Why can this not be extended...or is it that they just won't put their money where their mouth is?
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Re the bowling analogy...would it not be more like bowlers demanding access to every paid for and owned football pitch in the country. The argument that anglers have 'an exclusive right' to 99% of rovers is totally false. Anglers have no right to fish any river that they have not paid for. Canoeists could do exactly the same and buy up some rights. They have done so already apparently in Symmonds Yat with a generous grant from the EA! The organisation that anglers subsidise and canoeists are generally not willing to contribute to. Why can they not do this elsewhere!!!???
Here is the Symonds Yat story that has strangley been deleted from the BCU website...but can still be seen through using google 'cached'. They have also deleted (their own) advice to canoeists to avoid spawning ground due to the damage it can cause...interesting given their campaign don't you think.
Canoeists secure rapids at Symonds Yat
On Friday March 14th the British Canoe Union helped by a generous grant from the Environment Agency have exercised their option to purchase this nationally significant River Wye canoeing site.
For around 60 years paddlers have been using the 304 meters of rapids at Symonds Yat for competition, training and recreation.
4 years ago an option to purchase was negotiated by the BCU and fund raising began. This week the Environment Agency made a grant of £50,000 towards the purchase and the canoeing related “Maurice Rothwell Trust” donated a further £25,000 to enable the option to be exercised.
Further information is available from:- www.yatrapids.co.uk
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Lets stop the canoeists taking over our (paid for) waters.
Vote here (see right handside) - http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/vine/
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And when the Americans hit the IMAX screens with this 3D megabucks international feature...
http://www.flyfishermedia.com/about.html
I tell you, guys, we are lucky to be fishing for stuff the smart set don't want.
I wonder where they will be fishing. I will be tempted to watch it though!
Re - the Falklands. I looked at there for sea trout but was put off by the 2k flight cost on an RAF Hercules - the only direct flight. Were you in the army?
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Good first post Paul but you lost me on the second one.
I have fished in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming (Yellowstone) and had a great time. The fishing is almost always public and simply involves the purchase of a state licence. A lot of the rivers are in national park areas or forestry commission land so there are free campsites right next to the water. The scenery is magnificant and the fishing equally good - not as good as NZ but then again its not a 24 hour flight. Fishing there or NZ avoids the expoitative element of destination fishing that Paul describes. I remember fishing on the Fire Hole next to Old faithful - snow, Elk, volcanic springs bubbling away and very spooky fish rising to blue winged olives.
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Your obviouusly a man of great conviction and a great source of knowledge, If you shared it with a bit more heart and a little less spleen, poeple may be interested in learning something from you.
wozzamozza,
plenty of good advice on this forum mate It wont take you long to fathum whos worth learning from
Thank you for your kind advice oh great sage of forum etiquette and behaviour.
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You would have to study the scales. It's a long time since I was shown how.
What I remember is, the scale has growing lines on it (like a tree), with a brown trout I would imagine the gap between the line will be fairly regular, whereas when the seatrout goes to sea, the gap will increase as it will have been feeding on richer food. It's also a way of telling how often it as spawned.
A sea trout will be more silver and generally less spotty. They tend to lack the golden colour on their stomach and have no red spots. They are also generally bigger. To confuse matters some of them stay in the river and revert to normal markings.
Sea Trout
Brown trout
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The Snowbee Prestige line is a casting tool not a fishing line. It sinks at the tip on rivers and cracks after reasonable use - cr*p. Cortland 444 peach floater is a great line, if too pricey then go for the Worcestershire by Shakespeare.
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Thankyou sewinman and paul,
You have both been very helpful. I may well get that sea trout book you mention. I am going to write to the dovey association, do you either of you know how much i should expect to pay per season?
Thankyou dave
Its about 500-600 a year i think. You can try but I know someone who has been on the waiting list for 12 years. You have to live in the area to qualify and I think Aber. is too far away.
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Re Nymph fishing see the following article - http://www.flyanglersonline.com/begin/101/part31.html
There are lots of other good articles. The New Zealnd style method involves a strike indicator (some fluff, bright putty or big bushy dry fly) attached to the 'leader', below that you tie one nymph to the end of the leader. You then tie some more nylon (leader) to the hook of the nymph, and attach another nymph to the end of that lengh.
Floating line-----strike indicator-----nymph------another nymph.
The lengh of the leader depends on the depth of the water. If you are constantly catching the bottom shorten it. If you are not catching or getting bites make it longer.
You wade in and cast this upstream trying to get the nymphs to 'dead drift' directly towards you i.e. the river sweeps them down to you naturally at the same speed as any other debri. You watch the strike indicator and if it stops, changed direction or pops under the water you strike (lift the rod quickly). You may well have a fish on. Its very effective and fun method of fishing.
p.s. it is best to you use the big bushy dry as the strike indicator as it can rise the odd fish. Again the leader should be tied to the shank of the hook.
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Whatever floats your boat but you will learn a lot more about fishing if you stick to rivers, especially containing wild stock. Tactics for Syon - fast sinking line and an orange sparkly blob or booby - figure of eight retrieve. You should have your limit in an hour.
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Practical advice eh...well try the river Wandle flowing through South London and into the Thames. It is free with an environment agency licence and hold trout as well as various course fish that take a fly. You could even come and help clean it up as a few of us do through the Jet-Set Group - pulling shopping trolleys out of the river etc. It was where Halford fished and is now alive again after years of pollution.
Further afield yet still close to London is the White Water through the Farnborough angling association - 90 quid for 3 days a week.
During the close season I fish for grayling on many of the chalk-streams - 25-30 quid for some of the finest chalk streams - Test, Itchen, Kennet all available...some of them are not stocked but you will need to find that info. out for yourself.
Happy now?
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Thankyou Sewinman,
You see I do alot of coarse fishing, but as I am at university in Aberystwyth at the moment I would like to get into game fishing. I know that it is alot different to coarse fishing, but I would like to try it all the same, I also realise that myself, being a fly fishing novice shouldn't expect to catch much. I would like to find out abit about it in time for next season to give myself a chance. and hopefully by next season i will have had chance to aquire some flyfishing kit.
Am I being abit niave in attempting to fish the dovey as a fly fishing novice?
Thanks, dave.
I don't think you are being niave - there are few better rivers. You may have trouble getting on the river as the club is pretty 'sewn up'. Best bet is to try the Ystwyth first. I suggest reading Sea trout Fishing By Hugh Falkus - you will get everything you need from that book to cacth sea trout. If you are just fishing for brown trout then try a floating line, some gold head nympths and a small strike indicator or bushy dry - it is like float fishing - search the web for 'New Zealand style' nymph fishing to learn more about it. You will need a 9-10 foot rod 'aftm' 6-7.
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Yes ok, fire away? Dyfi is supposed to be good, for sea trout and a fair number of salmon, its just i cant really find out much about it.
Are we talking fish in the tidal range near Aberdyfi or up in the freshwater range.
For tidal i guess mullet or bass, or dolphins!!! ive seen dolphins just along that coast.
Freshwater i guess salmon?
thanks dave.
The Dovey is one of the finest rivers in Wales. It has a huge run of sea trout and decent salmon numbers. It is difficult to get on but the New Dovey Association do a weekly ticket. There is also a Hotel called the Brigands I think who have a stretch (not so good). No day tickets.
Those fish were most liekly a mixture of slamon and sea trout...the location?
The Dovey is one of the finest rivers in Wales. It has a huge run of sea trout and decent salmon numbers. It is difficult to get on but the New Dovey Association do a weekly ticket. There is also a Hotel called the Brigands I think who have a stretch (not so good). No day tickets.Those fish were most liekly a mixture of slamon and sea trout...the location?
The Ystwyth is a lesser river but apparantly has good sea trout runs. You would be fishing at night mostly - not everyones cup of tea.
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Would that be Syon!!?,or Hazlecopse!!?.
Lets be honest,ok some places are more picturesque than others,but at the end of the day they are all stock fish-regardless of how long they have been in there.
Where would you suggest going then??.
Errrr i would suggest fishing a river for wild fish ie real fishing - not supporting the dirty pellet pig industry and shooting fish in a barrel.
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Here is a tip - don't bother. It is a canal full of pellet pigs surrounded by clueless budgie drowners covered in bling bling equipment. Hell on earth.
Canoe access poll on BBC
in Conservation & Politics
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I thought it was the BCU who were running the access campaign? Looking at the website it seems so. I would have thought the BCU was the representative body of canoeists. Rather contradictory that they have set a precedent of buying access (with large government hand-out) yet are now fighting for free access. Perhaps have not got the money to buy more (not enough subs?) and have made a political decision to go for a free for all instead of continuing the precedent set.