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Barry Luxton.
I refer you to what slackline said in post #18
Regards.
If you can't do better than that don't bother in future. Other poster's have sent what i requested. You attempted to put Julian on the spot, so i asked you a resonable question, it was also linked to your employer who has put on his web site a resonable argument for the sand eel so i was looking for a comparative view.
Again, dont bother. Pathetic.
regards barry
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Hi Barry,
Heres the “Marine climate change impact Annual report that the Beeb article that kicked off this thread, is reporting on:
http://www.mccip.org.uk/arc/default.htm
Here are the bits from it about fish and fisheries from the contributing scientists:
from David Sims of the Marine Biological Association :
Executive Summary of “Impacts of climate change on fish”
http://www.mccip.org.uk/arc/fish1.htm
and the supporting evidence for that summary :
http://www.mccip.org.uk/arc/fish1a.htm
from John Pinnegar of CEFAS :
Executive Summary of “Impacts of climate change on fisheries”
http://www.mccip.org.uk/arc/fisheries1.htm
and the supporting evidence for that summary:
http://www.mccip.org.uk/arc/fisheries1a.htm
The SFF sponsored marine lab report, link highlighted in Ian's post is also well worth a read.
Cheers,
Chris
Thank you Chris. I have scanned the info and this will take some time for it to sink in, if any one has information regarding sand eel and or the stock i would appriciate it. many thanks
barry
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Hi Steve
QUOTE/ So if there is a problem, there must be a solution. What would you do Steve, if you had the power? What would make a difference?
There is no solution, even if I had the power, and nothing would make a differance, we are locked into a management system (CFP) that oversee all the fisheries in Europe, the area is to large and the fisheries to mixed, diverse, and complexed for any one management systems to be affective, plus the people who make the decisions only make them in the best interests of their own coutries, not for what is best for the differant fisheries. This is not a good basis for meaningful management ( perhaps it should be privatised)
I believe that under the present management system all fisheries are doomed because of the way the system operates.
Fish are apart of their own food chain one supports the other.
Lets take the Cod fisheries/ status collapsed/ reasons why/ Biomass of spawning stock unprotected/ aggregate dregding taking away spawning grounds/ mls to small/ mesh size to small in other fisheries/ discards/ quotas making more discards/ black fish decreasing spawning stock/ fish meal taking away food source and killing millions of tons of 2 inch cod in the process/ tilt, tilt tilt, You need one hell of good management system to manage just one fishery, and we have not got one.
We are STUCK with the mangaement we have, and the fate of ALL fisheries are DOOMED to die because of this, it is only a matter of time and when, WHY do you think so much importance has been given to farming fish, the managers know thats all that will be left at the end of the day, and the public will not give a dam
Sorry but thats my veiw of it all
Regards Steve
Unfortunatly i think i will go along with the above, what a good post.
regards barry
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why do the humble Whiting, Pout, Dogfish currently not exhibit the same level of climate induced trauma?
A very good point. So the hot climate affects cod from one end of the scale and sand eel at the other end but not the ones in the middle, how interesting. What do the scientists have to say about that?
P.S. Hi Challenge, perhaps you would like to add something, particularly as it's linked with your question in post number 2.
cheers barry
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I beg to differ, if it's a mark where people fish commercially then it's a commercial fishery! Boue Blondel is exactly the same, anyone can and does fish there, however like the Race it is a hard place to fish, so it's only really the commercials that put in a lot of effort. For instance the Weymouth COMMERCIAL bass boat 'Mojo' fishes the Race in the autumn, then comes over and does Boue Blondel in the spring. He then runs charters for the rest of the year, including CI trips, so if you don't agree with commercial rod & line bassing, then don't charter his boat.
PS. I read your letters in the GEP - they were quite good, although they could have been a lot better had your facts been accurate.
Pehaps you will be good enough to correct me then, next time i will also ask for your opinion before i post to make life easier. Please provide me with copies of your correspondence to the fishries and press relating to the same matter, then we will have a look and compare notes to find out who is nearer to the facts.No water around the uk is classed as commercial so i disagree with you. There are equally the same amount of commercial and charter boats and also private boats on the race. If you are a resonable boat angler the race is quite enjoyable, personally i find it really good fun and i don't lose a lot of gear, i wonder why? How can this mean it is a commercial area?
cheers barry
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Carp has been on the Jewish menu for ever
Ken Ken mate, you aven't been, you know, that, well,you know, that thing that happens down below by any chance?
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Right, there's been a lot of talk about whether RSA's and commercial fishermen can work together, or whether they would be prepared to. Well here's a little game we can play that will give us the answer.
It's now the year 2008 and the government of the day want to sort out the problems with the fishery once and for all. They've invited RSA's and commercial fishermen to sit around the table to thrash out the future of the fishery. You, Anglers Net contributors, are those people and this forum is the table. Thrash it out. What do you want? And are the opposition prepared to give it up?
For the duration of this thread, (and this thread only!), I will do my best to remain totally neutral and will act as referee. I won't get involved in any of the arguments and I won't express any bias towards either side. I will ask a few questions and if I think anyone is being unfair, I'll point it out. Apart from that I won't get involved in things. If the urge gets too much to bear, I will ask someone else to take over as neutral referee before diving in.
I'll get the ball rolling by stating what most sea anglers want, and how they think it might be achieved.
Recreational sea anglers want to be able to catch more and bigger fish. They think this can be achieved by placing restrictions on certain commercial fishing practices, which they see as being responsible for the decline in their catches over the last 20 or 30 years.
Over to you!
Every one to buy a fishing licence. This is to be indexed linked. The more you go, the more you land, the more you PAY. Just like the congestion zone. (quick duc).
cheers hopefully
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Wont be out to play tomorrow night. Actually got myself a booking, so I'll be up to my thighs in surf. Weather looking good for a few spikeys down my way, so wish me luck!!
You have a night off my friend and do what we all should be doin, enjoy. I'll keep it hot for you. Me, i should be on a spike trip again this week but the weather is looking cr.....p as useuall so i'll keep me ed down and stay hear although its windy here at times as well. Ain't that right Henry.
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just joined 2day ,live in braintree hope to get out soon work permitting hello to all.
Welcome xcarper, word of advice, stay in this section for a few posts as in the political section most are sadists including me!
cheers
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I think only a handful, it's been rough as anything recently. There could be up to 25 boats, mostly with 1 or 2 guys on board. It all depends on the price bass is fetching, and how their usual methods of fishing are going, some have been saying they won't bother if the price falls through the floor as usual. It'll be local boatys at the moment, with a couple of UK and Jersey boats later on probably. Basically, it's the Guernsey version of the Portland Race commercial rod'n'line fishery.
Just noticed this and i have to correct you sorry. The portland race is not a commercial rod and line fishery. Its an area of water that anyone can fish. There can many commercial's and also charters there but if you can stand drifting some times at four knots plus, it is good fun pulling the bass in. The ground is very rocky so if your wits are not about tackle losses can be high.
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m8 i think you got that sent to you by a 87 year old over weight virgin pensioner, the text was obviously done on a computer
And its a he she
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Here's the article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/text/arti...;in_chn_id=1469
Elton, i hope that some of this is true as one of my posts has been likend to seeing red busses and b52's on the far side of the moon.
Still one never knows.
cheers barry
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Hi Bartry, B52 & Double Decker, Classic Daily Sport headlines........ Helped to promote the paper to the quality read it isnt today...........
Didnt mean to get on your case so much. It just gives me the hump when I see people spouting off about foreign nationals taking all the undersized fish. I am quite often fishing every day in the summer, around the sussex coasts and rivers, and I see far more english anglers ignorant of size limits, or taking buckets of mackerel to rot down later, than I do Asian, italian, Eastern European put together......
Hi fishyrob,
Now don't you start beating your self up on my account, i have broad shoulders, i didn't think i was spouting as i did read it somewhere and according to Eltons post something must be true as the eu has spent money trying to prevent it. No where have i said under sized fish so its two nil to me i suppose.
Don't know about the poles as i would rather eat a mackeral than a carp any day, no doubt some one will say how good eating they are, anyone out there who are relatives of the people who first brought them into the uk, carp i mean.
regards barry
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Barry,
There was one printed last Monday. You can read it at- http://www.thisisguernsey.com/discus/messa...html?1164034039
Many thanks puffin, i've read that one, do you like my prevoius posts? I have also managed to send two letters off the the GSFA regarding the consultation.
cheers barry
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Wurzel, what are your veiws on slot sizes?
Sorry frank he's on the other post at the moment will i do. If so Biggest is best but not the hairy ones.
cheers barry
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-->QUOTE(Norm B @ Nov 25 2006, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I understand the Guernsey press are on the side of the commercials against the anglers so not a lot of point in writing to them. 
Seriously, where did you get that information from Norm b , there has not been any reporting or any real posts since april of this year? Are the suits getting in by the back door at the last minute?
cheers barry
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Is one a heavy plant? could be me.
You din't strike me as being a bit of a flower wurzel.
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Don't forget the potters.
Pig-farmers?
Organic growers? (Blood, fish & bonemeal)
Errr no,
Potters don't land their bait. The other two can use more friendly type of feed. You will have to do better than that Leon. Two will be hard to find, trust me.
cheers barry
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Fishmeal/oil for all the tropical fish keepers, course fish farms, salmon river restocking schemes?
The penguins at Edinburgh zoo?
Landing herring to use just its eggs for Sushi?
Where does it begin and end...
All right then, penguins yes as an end user. fish farms etc no, too much pollution. Sushi yes for humans?
I will accept two more only other wise i might have to change me mind.
cheers barry
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Chris
Thats the frozen baits business in trouble then?
Good point must make a tiny exception for that, sorry.
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I was told recently in confidence that there are two plants on AN pretending to have RSA interests at heart but are really here to divide and rule for the benefit of the commercials.
Eeeeh. where do we start looking?
I won't say who told me but i will swear on my kids life that it is true.
I assure you that one ain't me Ian, Wot about you wurzel?
cheers barry
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I keep telling you. I am not campaigning for the destruction of the Commercial Fishing Fleets. They have done a great job on their own doing that. I am campaigning to save fish stocks by allowing the marine biomass a chance to recover. This means everything from the sea-bed upwards. Ask your-self this? Why do the wrecks hold so many cod? Because they are natural reefs that the Cod need to live. As the trawler fleet have destroyed, unwittingly and certainly not maliciously, great swathes of the undersea reefs, there is no-where for the Cod to go except the wrecks and oil rigs.
I repeat by setting aside areas of the seas around Britain for at least 10 years to allow areas of natural corals to recover, not tiny little areas around wrecks, along with allowing immature stocks to grow, we may have a chance to keep a commercial fleet.
By not doing so, and it may already be too late, but that does not mean it should not happen, we are in my own, many others' and many scientists' opinions going to end up with nothing.
If it does not work it will be because of what has happened already, not because I, along with many others and the scientists have proposed a misguided strategy; and if it doesn't work besides the fact that we won't have a fleet left anyway, it won't be because of this strategy.
I am not going to agree to say what I believe you want me to say, which is "Tough on the commercial fleets, if it doesn't work so what". I don't agree with that statement any more than anyone else does.
I am going to say and repeat. If my petition succeeds and the government under pressure from the UK population, campaigns and hits and keeps hitting the EU, the famous hand bag springs to mind here, and it is allowed as a result and it still does not work, it won't be because of creating set aside areas, it will be because of 50 plus years of mis-management of our fish stocks.
Your question is not a simple one. Short yes, but not simple and cannot be answered with simple answer.
Regards
Henry
So thats a don't Know then Henry.
cheers barry
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Right, there's been a lot of talk about whether RSA's and commercial fishermen can work together, or whether they would be prepared to. Well here's a little game we can play that will give us the answer.
It's now the year 2008 and the government of the day want to sort out the problems with the fishery once and for all. They've invited RSA's and commercial fishermen to sit around the table to thrash out the future of the fishery. You, Anglers Net contributors, are those people and this forum is the table. Thrash it out. What do you want? And are the opposition prepared to give it up?
For the duration of this thread, (and this thread only!), I will do my best to remain totally neutral and will act as referee. I won't get involved in any of the arguments and I won't express any bias towards either side. I will ask a few questions and if I think anyone is being unfair, I'll point it out. Apart from that I won't get involved in things. If the urge gets too much to bear, I will ask someone else to take over as neutral referee before diving in.
I'll get the ball rolling by stating what most sea anglers want, and how they think it might be achieved.
Recreational sea anglers want to be able to catch more and bigger fish. They think this can be achieved by placing restrictions on certain commercial fishing practices, which they see as being responsible for the decline in their catches over the last 20 or 30 years.
Over to you!
No fish to be landed that is not for human consumption.
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Wurzel and Barry
The question is not what will happen to the commercial fleet in ten years if my petition was accepted and did not work; it is what will happen to the commercial fleet if my petition is NOT accepted and acted upon. The answers are plain for all to see. If we don't set aside areas that allow recovery of the marine biomass as a whole, there will be nothing left for anyone.
[Another huuuuuuuuuge amount of quote edited - do you really think we need to read through it all again? John S]
Sorry Henry,
Not good enough, i do not accept your first paragrath, i want you to personally answer my question. Please do not try to change my question, please reply. I know i appear to be a little bit tenacious but based on your reply to that one little question, it would make my mind up and i'm sure a lot of others whether to go along with your petition or to discount it as too radical or not dealing with the immediate issue with regards to improving our fish stocks. Please remember Henry there are thousands of members on this site so a little bit of endorsing could go along way.
What you have posted above mainly states the mechcanics of the fishing industry and controls around the uk. It appears to show that there is all ready in place adequet controls for the commercial fishing industry and again i think it is important that you address your concern to the correct block of men in suits, i.e. the eu. Thats who we pay all our euro millions to and they are supposedly working for our benifit. If this is not the case then, we should campain to get out of it and maybe our fishing lot could improve. It would then be more easier to try and control westminster than brussels.
However if you do not wish to answer my question then i will try to answer it for you by return, but i feel that this would defeat the object. looking forward to a result.
regards barry
Petition the PM, on-line in 2 mins, to save the fish stocks
in Conservation & Politics
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Hi Fishyrob,
You are trying hard to convince me arn't you. I can't sign up to it as Henry has not answered my one question. So check back through the posts and see if you can offer a reply, no bo.....ks please!
Nice photo of the bass, was that off the shore?
regards barry