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  1. 1 hour ago, big_cod said:

    This  is getting really boring your beyond help .

    Now this is just this year just another example of the destruction you condone and can you point me to anything that says dredging  is good for the marine environment .

     

     

     

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/insight-scottish-fishing-industry-fears-radical-measures-to-protect-marine-life-1-4930066

    I can point you to the fact that you really don't read what you put up so I repeat it here, and there's a further snippet within your article that although the areas in question are not protected scalloping is carried out in 50% of those. So yet again seeing that you are bored, go back to your evidence and show us hundreds of square miles of sea bed that is laid bare. Next you will be screaming that all demersal trawling be banned. look it up if you don't understand.

    quote:

    But fishing organisations claim the move is unnecessary and that existing measures, such as restrictions within MPAs, are enough. Some have argued that protections should be in place for “examples” of sea features such as flame shell reefs, rather than all of them.

    Femke de Boer, inshore policy officer for the Scottish White Fish Producers’ Association (SWFPA) says better research is needed to prove scallop dredging is as destructive as some people claim.

    “Many of our members fish for scallops in inshore waters,” she says. “We do recognise that features need to be protected but it must be proven that dredging actually does damage. If we have been fishing in a place for decades and the marine features are still there then is there really so much damage?”

     

  2. On ‎12‎/‎23‎/‎2019 at 12:00 PM, big_cod said:

    As angler you should hold your head in shame condoning a method of commercial fishing which destroys the marine environment which in turn depleting  fish stocks would  the Australia government allow dredging on the barrier reef of course they wouldn’t they aren’t that stupid .

    Now that is first conger I have had in 5 years and Barry you really have not got a clue not even a tiny weeny bit of a clue.

     

    dear oh dear you get worse, since when have scallops been known to habitat the great barrier reef, you for real.

     

    The cfp in the real world cod, deplete fish stocks with their cr@ p management, more so than your claim one sector of the commercial industry have flattened hundreds of square miles of reef.

     

    And did you know, I have never ever caught a conger while using a blue shad, drifting over the wrecks, what are you on.

  3. hello mods. January 2020 is the date that Boris will get Brexit done. Following that date he has advised that there will be no more Brexit talk.

    This topic has run for longer than the referendum.

    As the o p, can I suggest that this topic be closed as well, it has done rather well but the end is in sight. About time the have a laugh topic had chance to catch up. Happy holidays to all.  

  4. On ‎12‎/‎22‎/‎2019 at 4:31 PM, Phone said:

    ALL,  barry,

    Interesting site -  https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-agreements-with-non-eu-countries-in-a-no-deal-brexit

    Frankly I would leave the statistical mumbo jumbo to BC

    Phone 

    Wasn't  the remainiacs argument was the u k will fall off a cliff, the e u has squillions of trade agreements and the u k will loose them following Brexit. Here you are from across the other side of the pond posing up links of u k trade agreements 'oven ready' as boris would say. While b c claims he knows all about fishing and angling industries, ignoring the damage the c f p has done and caused over 40 years, while blaming one part of the fishing industry.

     

    Yup fone, what comes out of his gob certainly is mumbo. nothing else, yawn,  no facts no links that can been seen as credible.

     

  5. 3 hours ago, big_cod said:

    why should climate change be linked to any trade deal?

    BTW, news released today, the e u single market is not as important as they like to think it is.

    Quote:

    New figures released today (20 December 2019) by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show in the twelve months to September 2019 that UK exports to outside the EU grew nearly 5 times as fast as exports to countries inside the bloc.

    UK exports to the EU grew by 1.3% and now total £296.8 billion, while exports to non-EU countries saw growth of 6.3% to reach £376.7 billion.

    Over the 12-month period, non-EU markets remained the top destination for the UK’s renowned service sector. 60.2% of UK services exports, including financial, travel and transport, go to non-EU markets and are now worth £190.8 billion.

  6. 6 hours ago, big_cod said:

    Barry you have not got one clue I look at the seabed day in day out massive areas dead what hell do think a dredge does plant daffodils it’s to rip the sea bed to pieces  to extract the scallops ever thought about coral growing weed the who ecosystems destroyed dredging is renowned for sheer devastation and you agree with that  and an angler  is breath taking  you  really are a silly boy not got a clue but you gave that away trying catch conger here at Whitby coming across a conger here is rare.

    dear ohh dear, you keep on digging the whole while you spout rubbish. Scallopers target scallops, not rocks. No money in landing rocks with retractable tynes, who's silly I have to ask. Show us this flattened hundreds of miles of sea bed off your coast, you can't. Further more while you claim I know nothing, you proudly put up a foto of a strap conger your boat caught in the last few days. As you clearly don't know anything about conger I will tell you, they need structure on the sea bed not flattened pool tables. so you can't have both, either the sea bed is flat or it has structure, what's it to be. That came from structure and not a wreck btw, ask me how I know , clearly you don't.

    Why do you put foto's up of mini cod, one guy holding up at least half a dozen, who's gonna fillet them. As large as whiting they look to me.

  7. 9 hours ago, big_cod said:

    Did you ever look up all the prosecutions by U.K. fishing fir breaking eu quotas to protect stocks of course you didn’t it’s an eye opener .

    Why didn’t you catch any Conger when you we’re here we’re they away on holiday a man of your knowledge of which  seems very limited for the years you have been fishing .

    Now just look at this massive cash donors to the Tory party this is a bit like being a member of two trade unions carrying two cards they push the Tory party with brexit then go behind the voters backs to keep a nice fluent access to the soon 27 not 28 eu countries I wonder how many brexit voters who voted Tory would like to see this makes very grim reading for those coached along to brexit when the  masters behind it were shafting them .

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-donor-eu-citizenship-brexit-cyprus-passport-boris-johnson-a9255266.html

    What?

    3 hours ago, big_cod said:

    So your blaming the skipper now Barry ever thought about crap anglers but to be honest your are just to to stupid  to even argue with clueless doesn’t even touch it spouting about  something you nothing about you don’t know the bow from the stern you can fish in rowing boat and catch fish if you know what you are doing , and  what exactly is your job blaming the skipper utter rubbish just no congers to be had stick to south coast where they are knackered deep .

    Funny though had a group of lads  on today from London today never seen so much cod couldn’t believe it I said if you had been here 5 years ago before the dredging started who you would have treble what you have today but they still smashed it .

     

    Ever thought about all the beaming dredging in the Chanel Barry no cod be had habitat destroyed but you will never learn .

    is that the best you have, you can't put up a decent argument so you offer up insults,  I blame no one sport, I put it down to experience. And even now, scalloping, your claiming that they on purpose target rocky outcrops with their retractable tynes, threatening to hook up even though scallops main habitat is sand and mud, are you for real.   you really don't get it do you.  For your information sport, you forget, the main argument locally off your coast at the time, was the claim that the draggers were towing away fleets of pots, remember, you even stated that,  you even forget what you have said previous.  and  you claim they have flattened hundreds of miles of rock to beef up your argument. oh dear.

    And today  claiming record cod catches then in the next breath  hundreds of miles are like pool tables. Walter mitty springs to mind here. 

    Here we go yet again, beaming dredging, never heard of that one, has flattened the habitat in the channel, how many hundreds of square miles this time?  is that what you are claiming for lack of  cod in the channel.  You are listening too much to hearsay and bullshine, don't you mean rock hoppers. And what about the French with their 84% cod quota in the channel, have you discounted that. Even the e u, before the last fisheries meeting restricted cod catches in Biscay, western approaches and the channel due to depleted stocks yet you claim the habitat has been removed. dear oh dear. Try reading, following what you have posted while pounding the keyboard.

    Did you get towed home once because you cocked up and got the anchor rope in the prop, you didn't answer that one btw.

  8. 5 hours ago, big_cod said:

    Did you ever look up all the prosecutions by U.K. fishing fir breaking eu quotas to protect stocks of course you didn’t it’s an eye opener .

    Why didn’t you catch any Conger when you we’re here we’re they away on holiday a man of your knowledge of which  seems very limited for the years you have been fishing .

    Now just look at this massive cash donors to the Tory party this is a bit like being a member of two trade unions carrying two cards they push the Tory party with brexit then go behind the voters backs to keep a nice fluent access to the soon 27 not 28 eu countries I wonder how many brexit voters who voted Tory would like to see this makes very grim reading for those coached along to brexit when the  masters behind it were shafting them .

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-donor-eu-citizenship-brexit-cyprus-passport-boris-johnson-a9255266.html

    send us a link to these prosecutions, please do. how many e u prosecutions? and are you aware of the boats that have an endemic institutionalist ethos of breaking the rules. what about the black fish landings unregulated and unrecorded, by e u boats into the e u by the back door through the port of vigo? why do you want to concentrate on u k boats are they the largest most prolific fish thieves?

     

    I  spent 3 days up there and the boat we was on had a 5 kg anchor for a 30 odd foot boat it was a bit like a chocolate fireguard.

    if John Brennan had lived, he was up for it, anchoring decent wrecks after conger and big ling, when did you last anchor the wrecks b c? Have you fished ling over a full tide at anchor for example? Some one told me you got towed home once after you fell foul to an anchor rope, that true?

    Why are you attempting to disparage Brexit? It is going to happen, why don't you get with the programme?

    Your not bringing up the local spat with the potters and the netters again are you, can you tell us the square mileage of the sea bed that's been flattened by the draggers with their retractable tynes? Hundreds of square miles?  How many hundreds of square miles does your  ifca control? The draggers need sand for the scallops and the potters need structure, how did the draggers manage to flatten it?

  9. 21 minutes ago, Huge_Vitae said:

    SAND EEL!

     

    ahhh, please expand on that if you please, I understand the e u have allowed the danes to increase their quota times five this year in the north sea. 

    little snippet for cod re the conger, it's don't do well in cold water, assumingly:

    Eels in excess of 200lb have been caught in commercial trawler’s nets, and a specimen weighing 350lb was reportedly caught by a trawler near the island of Vestmannaeyjar off the south coast of Iceland.

     

    on it's holidays :g:

  10. 8 hours ago, big_cod said:

    Super trawlers love that  phrase so what exactly are UK flag trawlers that  catch 500 ton of mackerel in one haul herring in similar numbers , mackerel now off the sustainable list no these aren’t foreign boats doing this they UK owned super trawlers sat right now   in Peterhead working only 3 months of the year making millions then tied  up for remaining 9 months no mention of this industrial fishing in the news laughable .

     

    These boats landing over 1000 ton  at any one time can catch as much as 500 ton in one haul industrial fishing we are guilty of it as much as anybody else .These aren’t boats they are ships industrial fishing in the U.K. fishing industry.

     

    https://fishingnews.co.uk/features/new-pathway-pd-165-starts-on-maatjes-herring/

    https://fishingnews.co.uk/features/taits-fr-229-advanced-technology-on-new-fraserburgh-midwater-trawler-enhances-family-traditions/

     

    why are you linking u k registered boats, swerving away from the two boats in question that are targeting the food chain in the channel for the last two months. To correct your swerve and assumption that it is the nasty u k commercials who are clearing the stocks out, below are the facts. And while we are on the subject of fisheries management, mackerel and herring are not really in abundance yet the e u management are allowing these boats to target them, can you show us what facts the e u use to allow this? Are you also aware that the bass target these species, although these two boats claim clean catches, do you really believe no bass are caught? Roll on Brexit and the removal of the London protocol, that's a start.

    quote:

    There has been a lot of noise over social media, and elsewhere, about a super trawler, the Margiris, which has been operating in the Channel in recent weeks.

    It was first picked up by an eagle-eyed observer who spotted it on publicly available AIS (Automatic Identification System for boats) tracking web sites.

    This massive boat is about 15 miles off Worthing trawling around, presumably fishing for mackerel. It is huge. 150m long and a dead weight of 6200 tonnes. Not far away from it is the Annie Helina, a Belgian factory trawler of a similar size which is also working the area very hard.

    For anyone who has an interest in sea angling, fisheries and fish conservation, or is engaged in inshore fishing seeing these monsters hoovering up vast quantities of fish day after day is heartbreaking. No wonder, we all think, fish stocks in the English Channel are so depleted.

  11. lets see, conger in the south, conger in the north but in the north sea no conger because of a plume of cold water. yer right. I do like your swerve away from deep water that was good.

    What link have you sent, first paragraph details that the fishing industry has a gdp not worth bothering with. Is that your factual evidence that leaving the c f p is wrong? Spare a thought for the whole of the u k's coastal communities that are second class citizens in the e u, behind the e u's megliomaniniacs who give away the u k's fishing stocks, including the breeding stocks and leaves them nothing but depleted stocks and restrictions. What are you on.

     

    Spare a thought today for those without any power during this wet and windy period...………………………….

    Na, s t u f f  'em the remainiacs are now a lost cause.

  12. 6 minutes ago, big_cod said:

    Are an expert in the marine environment you do make Me laughter Scotland has the gulf steam coming up the west cost the channel has temperatures way above our section of North Sea .

    This part of the east coast has  deep water close by keeping the temperature lower than other parts of U.K. why so many cod and literally no conger here in this area south coast completely the opposite  the penny dropped yet doesn’t looks  like it hasn’t I  am afraid  you will never learn .

    And will brexit be successful for the fishing industry it isn’t what I am  hearing a lot wishing  they hadn’t voted brexit I massive can of worms is about to be unleashed on the fishing industry , and like I told you nothing will change all this next year so Johnson blurts his lies get brexit done when exactly will all that be finalised he lies constantly to the gullible and they swallow it every single day and fishing is only a tiny part of the puzzle .
     

    ahhh, off Portland, also has deep water around 300' four mile off, lots of conger, bull huss, bream, porbeagle and tope pay a visit, so your deep water assumption don't stack up.

     

    And even now when Brexit is so close you claim that the brexiteers have changed their minds,  last weeks election doesn't agree with your assumption either. Are you claiming that they wish to remain within the c f p? What is this MASSIVE can of worms you are looking at, can you forewarn us exiteers of our mistake?

  13. 2 hours ago, big_cod said:

    ? dear dear me Barrywho said about no congers  in the U.K. , we catch  conger but in minute numbers ask yourself why is that now how many years you been fishing water temperature ? now what you attempted had been done all before with zero results I told you you would blank and that is exactly what you did 
     

    Email my MP  ? and  ask him what we already have as a group which included bulk of the charter boats off the east coast and guess what a complete waste of time not interested a Tory mp waste of space .

    Now I have noticed in a post on Facebook you are blaming the angling trust for the bass bag limits which I said all along that it originated from here  and  was then implemented by the EU but it was pressure from here that got that stupid ban imposed which you argued it was all the EUs fault not so then strange that .Now when we brexit will this government still listen to the angling trust and  continue with the bass restrictions on  anglers .

    So what is it with your water then too hot or too cold, can't be both can it?

    Scotland has congers and the south, and you in the middle of the north sea don't, amazing.  Shame our old friend John Brennan past away when he did, what a fabulous forward thinking skipper he was, may he rest in peace. He made a success with Chieften, sold it, moved to new Zealand. Got itchy feet to come back and start again. He wanted to search out the conger and big ling that are off the coast. He even bought another boat and was waiting for the day he would return. Unfortunately although he was telling me he didn't feel right, he didn't know just how ill he really was, bless him. It was his mate Charlie who gave me the bad news. You don't fish for the larger ling do you? Is his mate John, aka challenge still working for fisheries, btw. Send him my regards if you catch up.

     

    Why is your conservative m p not interested? Is it because the Brexit leaving bill regarding fisheries hasn't been introduced yet. Here you are condemning something that hasn't even taken place yet. Got any links to the correspondence you and yours  have sent your m p?

     

    Yes it was TAT who instigated the bass ban and restrictions I have said that from the outset and continue to claim that as fact. Even now TAT claims to be lobbying fisheries and with their hard work managed to get a two day bag limit. Really how spiffing. Every time TAT has anything to do with sea fishing the rsa end up with restrictions read my signature, I ain't amending it as it is all true. And read and understand that the e u gets a mention. So what are you dribbling on about.

  14. 32 minutes ago, big_cod said:

    Hot air ? Barry remember  those congers you going to catch at Whitby when I  told you you  we’re wasting your time listen to people who know .

    Rod rod Stuart  welcomed by his Celtic fans .

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rod-stewart-celtic-general-election-boris-johnson-tory-hibernian-green-brigade-a9248136.html

    There plenty saying Scotland is being sold out by the tories like I said to you the best is to come watch this space the tories have excellent form of selling out our fishing so what’s different nothing !!!.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-call-on-ruth-davidson-to-apologise-over-fishing-sell-out-1-4708447

    And remember how labour borrow money money money well here is a tweet from Laura Kuenssberg should made this public really .

     

     

    ohh my gawed, you counter with a link dated 2018 rod stewert and your claim there are no congers in the u k, while Scotland have them and so do the south coast. why is Whitby so special.

     

    Is that the best you have. Rather pitiful I would say. move on and support u k anglers, charter skippers and the u k leaving the e u. give it your best shot why don't you. Have you emailed your m p yet, supporting the best deal possible?

  15. 31 minutes ago, big_cod said:

    ?? oh no never Can’t be right surly not .

    Of course you and cory are aware that the 1972 communities act is being revised, amended the day the u k leaves the e u, aren't you, the bill has already been passed into u k law, btw?

    And that in plain English means that all e u law, legislation is on the u k's statute books for the u k parliament to decide to keep amend or dump. And as such now that there is a stonking great big majority for the u k's executive, any revision will sail through parliament. So what has been linked that you and cory rely on is watered down to irrelevance.

    There are 12,000 e u regulations, (they have been busy, managing for managements sake and jobs for the boys) spring to mind. Never mind, the u k will now be in a best position to deal, don't you agree.

    ohhhh, quote e u law, sounds like the new administration is already on the case: 

    The European Commission created a pathway for companies and member states to raise concerns about trade barriers in non-EU countries.

    The UK says this was infrequently used and wants to establish a new process in the UK instead of transporting this old system over.

     

    and quote huge-vitae, who is correct:  In short and in layman’s terms, any current trade agreement made by the EU whilst negotiating by, on behalf of or whilst the U.K. was a member can be rectified.

    Simply put, the U.K. can take any trade agreement entitled, say, “A Trade Agreement between the European Union and xxxxxx” Strike a line through the EU and add The United Kingdom in its place and you have a rectified valid agreement.

  16. 7 hours ago, corydoras said:

    Let us all know how you get on with that.

     

    https://tradebetablog.wordpress.com/2018/02/13/grandfathering-eu-ftas/

    make your mind up for goodness sake, two days ago, you were sarcastically claiming that the new government will fall flat using wto.

    That's while you continue with project fear, yes there really has been a stonking great big election success for the tories you despise and they will be getting the job done, so move on.

    ohhh both the e u and the u k also use wto. What ever next.

    looking forward to the queens speech and all the other bills that WILL go through, are you?

     

  17. 15 hours ago, big_cod said:

    John I ain’t twisting everything mate  I am just pointing you to facts regarding brexit in the fishing industry.

    Now the hype of get brexit done is  fallacy John  which won boris Johnson his majority isn’t exactly as it seems .

    yes you are, your full of it. You have nothing but hype and hot air. the bill that will sort out the management of u k fishing hasn't been presented to parliament yet, that will be before the end of the year, following the queens speech that lays out all of the new governments policies. First bill that will go through is the new Brexit w a leaving bill.

    What information do you have.

    quote: At least six other Bills – dealing with farming, fishing, trade, financial services, immigration and the environment – will be unveiled designed to prepare the country for fully leaving EU rules and regulations after the post Brexit transition period ends in December 2020.

    ohhh and before you gripe further: 

    Another key measure will be an NHS Funding Bill drafted to pump another £33.9billion a year into the service by 2023/24.

    The sum will be the largest cash injection into hospitals, GP surgeries and other health services in NHS history

  18. 9 minutes ago, big_cod said:

    And again John according to Scotsman the tories are going to sellout  the Scottish fishing industry and no change till 2020 as I said no brexit isn’t done in January it’s ****s like the rest of get brexit done it’s hype John you must know that surly boris Johnson is a liar you voted for him welcome to the real world the hurdles he is going to fall flat on will be overwhelming a compulsive liar can only lie for so long .

    come on then, give us a link to the claim of a tory sell out ? Or did you make it up?

     

    Why is it the Scottish white fish commercials have had a 50% e u quota cut. And on the south coast, even worse were cod is now a by catch, yet you can take all you like. About time you was on an e u  bag limit isn't it.

     

    Any support for the anglers and charter boat skippers  who are still restricted by the e u on the bass or are you still supporting that shiet management org.

  19. 10 hours ago, chesters1 said:

    I think mr corbyn needs to look closer to home when he is thinking about food safety ,if we are not skating on thin ice with our practices the EU countries certainly are!

    ahhhh,

     

    13% of usa chlorinated chicken is infected.

    While the e u chicken is at 50%. Don't ever pre wash e u chicken prior to cooking, it's spreads the virous.  :yucky:

  20. 2 hours ago, big_cod said:

     

    And what about all those U.K. fishermen who every year go over to France to fish done it for  centuries but you just don’t get it the tories will sellout the fishing industry fishing out is only  party of our economy 0.1% they are dispensable.

    I know talks have been  finalised with quotas for the next year because i know people who just come back from Brussels so they are saying nothing changes in the next 12 months so there’s another year for you and as your an expert and you won’t have known that.

    And  can you tell me why Britain is the only country out of all the other EU countries that let’s our   quotas be used as a commodity to make money  it is U.K. fishermen who have sold there quotas to foreign fishermen.to fish in our waters I didn’t here Nigel Farage or anybody else screaming brexit mention  this but of course they wouldn’t want the public to know this they only tell you what they want to tell you and the dummy’s swallow it ..

     

     

    yawn here we go yet again, You give anglers and fishermen a bad name with your e u political bullshine. And as for numbers, you must have been in the same scooool  as abbott.

    How many  u k fishermen, fish in e u waters, ain't the under tens who make up 75% of the u k fleet that's for sure. The Scottish over ten scallopers were 13 mile off the French coast last winter,  still got shat on. Show us the landing figures of the u k boats fishing e u waters. And as for stating that 0.1% of our economy is dispensable how disgusting. You forgot to include 888000 sea anglers (government figures, not abbotts) and the charter boat industry who have taken second place behind the e u commercials who have been clearing out the stocks and the bass breading stocks (non quota stock btw) in u k waters, sport. E U boats take twice as much as u k boats in u k waters year on year  and it's more than just the quota stock that is taken by the e u. How do the French justify 84% cod quota in the channel, and for the last 4 years cod stocks in the channel have been depleted. With e u crisis management offering up restrictions, too little and too late. You selfishly ignore that don't you.

    Yes i'm aware that the e u have sat and dished out the quotas for next year, hopefully it will be the last time the e u steals u k fish to the detriment of all of the u k's coastal communities but your in your own bubble and won't see or comprehend that will you. Your as false as your claim of 150% support to the south coast charter boats who have been dumped on by the e u. Do you know if  it will also include bass restrictions on the u k rsa, yet again,  they didn't cause the depletion btw, why aren't you jumping up and down with that disparity? Do you know if the e u management  have ignored the scientists this year,  yet again? Have the Danish been allowed to continue depleting the sand eel, food chain  stocks in the north sea this year, last year the e u management allowed them to times five the quota allocation?

    Why do you continually use quota sold by u k commercials as the be all and end all of fish stocks in the u k waters. For many years the e u have allowed u k  13% quota each year and the rest goes to the e u interests, and within that 13% chum, some of it has been sold by u k boats.

    What you deliberately fail to accept or comprehend, 75% of the u k fleet are under ten, they do not fish quota, 'cept for a 3% pool that the mmo share out. they fish to tac's again that the mmo manages. And u k under tens have to compete with French bass boats for example on the south coast who have taken 9 times the amount of bass the u k commercials ever have, year on year. What about the 19.5m French bass boat who broke down within 2.5 mile of the devon coast this winter gone, he was also with a fleet of large French trawlers, why were they inside the line I have to ask, do you know? The u k anglers are paying the price for this mismanagement. Your not for real are you.

     

    Roll on Brexit, roll on the c f p getting out of u k waters, roll on the cancelling of the London protocol, that allows the french and the dutch to clear out the breeding stocks, what say you.

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  21. looks like the labour party still don't get it. They really need to get with the programme and work with the conservatives to get the best deal possible instead of all their normal negative opinions and ideals that lost them the election, in particular by ignoring many of their own electorate.

    quote:

    7.35pm update: Labour set to vote against Withdrawal Agreement AGAIN

    Mr Corbyn is also believed to have told his MPs to vote against Boris Johnson's Brexit Bill because the Prime Minister has imposed an "impossible" timetable to get a trade deal with the EU.

    He is udnerstood to have told the Parliamentary Labour Party: "On Friday, we have the debate on the Withdrawal Agreement Bill (WAB).

    "We will vote against it because by putting an impossible timetable for a good deal with the EU, Boris Johnson has already shown that his priority is a toxic deal with Donald Trump that will sell out our NHS and risk the safety of our food.

    "And the WAB significantly risks undermining the Good Friday Agreement."

  22. I'll hazard a guess, let's see, the u k will leave the e u's political nightmare by the end of January. Following on, the u k will leave the transition period at the end of next year. How's that.

     

    You lobbying you new m p yet to get the best leaving deal possible for you and the rest on the u k?

     

    And as the government has a stonking great majority, they are in the driving seat and the e u megliomaniniacs would be rather stupid in not complying with what the electorate democratically voted for and that is to leave with no strings.

     

    Down to them.

  23. 18 hours ago, corydoras said:

    I look forward to seeing how that works out for them when they fall with a splat on the cold, hard floor of the WTO that many of them hanker after.

    ahh right, with your misery of a negative Brexit, that's the best you can hope for? Rest easy, ain't gonna happen unless the e u throw the baby out.

    And fone, I hope you don't consider being part  of a federal political expansionist regime liken that to be within a global economy, in particular the u k electorate where never  given the opportunity to provide their mandate to in any event.   

    Latest comments that place the u k in a good bargaining position for a deal with the protectionist e u political trade org.

    quote:

    “Some elements will be settled in that, the rights of citizens for example will be dealt with in the withdrawal agreement that leaves the trade agreement.”

    Ms Burley added: “That’s a pretty big thing to be dealing with.”

    Mr Fox continued: “It would be normally, in most trade agreements the time is taken up understanding one another’s regulatory systems, understanding the complexities of tariffs and any protections the economy has.

    “We of course have a situation where we already have a zero tariff agreement and further to that, in the political declaration that the two sides have signed it says that we will not have tariffs or fees or quotas.”

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