Ditchrat
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The biggest danger to angling comes from anglers themselves ( and I have'nt read anything on the hot topic of the day) with their own narrrow minded almost tunnel vision zeal who campaign and try to rally support against parts or practices of angling that they "are not comfortable with"
Its sad to say that we are experiencing the same type of issues in the U.S. In the steelhead community pinners are a cult group that catch allot of fish. Float fishing for effective that fly fisherman cry that pinning should be illegal, we catch all the fish in a hole. Blah blah and more blah blah.
Basically we are hated on the rivers because they see a relatively new angler catching more fish then a hard working experience fly angler.
So its not only a comfortability thing but a resentment thing that we deal with.
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This one will blow your cookies, slightly off the point. But in my travels musky fishing I have bought ducklings to use for bait, and in certain places for large nocturnal brown trout we live line mice for bait that we buy at the pet store.
Im sure some of you may be appalled or horrified but it is not uncommon to use other higher mammals for bait. I even recall reading an article where some place in italy they use live cats for bait, I guess they have dogfish there.
Things are different for different people and places.
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all good stuff to read, any other suggested readings?
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Earliest Coxon Aerials had Mahogany backs. - some lovely examples here.
Worth trying to get hold of the book "Rosewood to Revolution" which plots the history of the Aerial.
I always assumed they were called Match Aerials as they were much favoured by Match Anglers of the day (A Match is the UK term for a fishing competition) not because the materials now matched!
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That was my assumption also. But it begs to answer the question, did Match fishing exhist back in 1922 or is it a modern term.
Thanks for the information.
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I developed a think for spoked centrepins, something a bit odd in the states as we just dont have a history with them. So with lack of resources I am scouring through the net looking for bits of history. Thats the fun part of collecting.
Anyway have been doing some reading on allcocks and it seems at one point they were made with the drum and back plate being different materials. So I came across a tidbit saying in the early 20's the back plate was made of alloy to "match" the drum.
Shortly afterwards they where called match aerials.
Is accurate?
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The vast majority of 'point misses' on these sorts of topic are more a matter of 'ignore what does not suit my argument' rather than the bog standard sort of missing the point.
That is very true everywhere. Be glad you dont have to listen to people whin about hooking fish that dont bit.
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No ones is arguing that point regarding mouths and hooks ..are they? I am talking impaling hooks into the body of a live fish as whether or not fish will feel pain. You tell me you have the qualifications.
You miss the pint. Fish are adapted not to feel pain. They feel pressure on their bodies and in their mouths but only to the extent that it is a sensation.
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Maybe this was covered and I missed it. But I am surprised this has not been mentioned yet. As a student receiving degrees in both Marine Biology and Aquatic Biology I spent lots of time studing fish, and other animals. I learned their body types, anatomy and functions.
One of the first things we learned is how fishes mouths are designed to allow them to crush snails, bite down on spines, and grab objects that are painful to humans.
Some how I am not seeing the different between a pike getting impaled by a fishes spines and getting zapped by a hook
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Tell me what exactly is the difference between hooking a fish and hooking a bait fish.
Devils advocate here for a second.
If hooking a bait fish is wrong and cause pain, and then it is suggested that using other the live bait is the right way to catch a fish. Then isnt hooking the target fish the same as hooking the bait fish.
So if using bait is wrong then fishings wrong.
See where Im heading with this?
Anyway my take is, only kill or harvest the bait you need. Live baits fine with me I just prefer artificial for the challenge.
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I did nt know you guys had those types over there. I thought you where all too sensible for that.
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Ditchrat
Yes "questoutdoors" was the site i was looking at,made for very interesting reading.
Do any of you guys over there use U.K. style floatfishing rods at all?I realise you are fishing for different species on more powerful rivers than here,but judging by the photos they are like nothing i have ever seen before.
Newt
Excuse my ignorance but what the hell is a noodle rod?
A noodle rod is a very light action spinning rod. Usually 9-12 ft and rated for very light line 2-4lb test. It is a full parbolic flexing rod designed to protect light line on big fish. Noodle rids are not used for centerpining over here. The get their name because the action is best described as a wet noodle.
No our rods are designed very different. Guides need to be larger to deal with ice formation. We fish for steelhead in very cold weather at times. Generally the temps are a few degrees above freezing, however many times it is 10-20 degrees below that.
The rods are very much like carp rods, but the grips are different. US angler generally place the pin 7-8 inches above the butt and have a 6-7 inch fore grip. Canadians use shorter rear grips in the 5-6 inch range and linger for grips, up to ten inches.
Ours vary wildly as the US and Canada are both large. Generally the medium sized river flow at rates that wading above the waist will take you off your feet. However some creeks are slow moving and very much like many pictures I have seen of sewin rivers some of you might fish.
But generally the rivers vary so much that describing them would leave a poor understanding of them. But just a quick try some of the rivers I fish actually are large enough for 65ft tug boats and barges to use them just a few miles down stream. Some are 10ft wide and meander though woods or fields. Some are rock bottom like slate, some are boulders and some are all sand. Most are a mix.
Here a few few videos that might give you some idea.
Delaware River Shad (3-9lb herring) Dont wztch this one with kiddies around am afraid I cused more then a couple times in it
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"As far as I can tell, the main difference between the Aventa Pro and the Sheffield is looks. You won't be disappointed with either."
Except you pay a lot more for the Sheffield......The pro is an excellent reel, BUT it has 1 drawback. The retrieve speed is slow due to the small arbor.....if you're long trotting then a leeds pin, 5" or so really lets you retrieve quickly.
I wonder why okuma have produced 3 reels which are essentially the same, you'd think they would produce a larger model.
They are testing a 5" dragged model right now. No word on an ETA they are still field testing it.
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Ditchrat I like the look of the Milner Kingfisher, just curious of their price ?
I think they are about $560.00
It is very much a regional thing Stretpegger.Not in the last 20 years. From California to Alaska, all the great lakes and now its spreading south into trout and small mouth waters of PA, NJ and DE, plus the whole of Canada.
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I thought I might post a couple pics of the fish we chase with pins.
If you look you will notice a modified raven sst2, the one with the extended arm and my buddies milner
Some salmon
Some browns
Some bows
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Ditchrat, just curious which are the most favoured Pins in Canada ? As you lot seem to do a lot of pin fishing your opinion would be interesting.
Canada has many talented centerpin builders two that come to mind are John Milner and John Sparh.
Here is a Milner Kingfisher. Nice tightly hand built reel. They are great fishers too.
Here is a spahr. There are equally good fishers, but cosmetically a little less ornate.
Hi AllUntil i read this thread i hadnt realised that centrepin reels were so popular in north america.Had a quick go on google myself and came across a site aimed at great lakes anglers,with a whole forum dedicated to "pin" users.
Even saw a post re the humble Drennan Loafer,a popular river float on our side of the pond.
Ditchrat
Is the new Hardy conquest centrepin reel going to be available over there?
I only ask because a friend of mine recently handled one of these reels and was practically salivating!
There are tons of pinning sites in the US and Canada, it has become a little cultish. www.questoutdoors.net, www.floatfishing.net and www.riverrunsrods.com/forum (mine) are just a few of a dozen or more.
As for you loafer, with the exception it is hard to see under low light it is by far one of the best designed trotting floats I have ever fished. I use them all the time and love them.
I dont know about the conquest being released in the US. I have someone looking into it as I was reminded about this forum as I was searching to purchase a Conquest for myself. The features are innovative and the design is very attractive. I plan on adding one to my collection very soon.
Ditchrat I quite fancy an SST 3 what would it cost me to have one sent here in the UKThe sst3 is $269.00 us. It is a very light reel with equally light start up. I didnt come here looking to sell any thing and please dont take this personally but I wont sell one to you for the simple reason that I responded to give some info not promote a product.
I suggest ordering from www.fishusa.com, shipping wont be terible and with the conversion rates it should be a good deal for you. You may want to also check out the ross flow. Another nice reel for the money
If you want any more information on pins this side of the pond please feel free to contact me. I learned allot about centerpin tradition from reading sites like this, and am glad to return the favor
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Hi ditchrat and welcome to the forum.
What is the advantage of using a pin for steelhead fishing?
Given the size and structure of the rivers in the States centerpins allow the presentation of floats at long distances with a bait first presentation. The long of the short of it is more time in the strike zone equates to more fish on the line. Turns about to be about 7 fish 1 one against fixed spool anglers with or without floats.
I was looking forward to finding out a little more about these Raven reels until the so called dealer posted and claimed that the Okuma reels are trash. Well if that's what a Raven dealer thinks then their knowledge of market place products must be very limited and therefore their own products as well.I think i will give Raven a wide berth and stick with Okuma and my Adcock Stanton.
Seeing that I sell okumas, youngs and ravens I think you own a okuma. And frankly a little foolish if you think a Korean can company can match the knowledge of the Canadians when it comes to float fishing. Your Okuma is a ripped off cheaper version of the raven sst1.
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I have had a trawl around the American and Canadian sites and it would appear that the Matrix and Classic are roughly the equivalent of the Okuma Aventa pro and the Okuma sheffield with the SS3 being regarded as being marginally more upmarket though some don't like the lightness of this model.
They may be worth a shot as they are not yet common in this country and it's nice to be a bit different.
Personally speaking from a purely asthetics point of view the SS3 would be my choice I am unable to comment on the performance of these reels myself as I hav not as yet handled one
I just happened to be passing though looking for some info on a stanton I just picked up, and trolling around google UK looking for unique pins when I saw this thread.
I happen to be a raven dealer in the states and I fish these reels often. The SST1 was ripped of by okuma, and marketed as their own. The Okuma is close to the biggest piece of trash I have ever fished, once you touch a raven okumas just plain old feel cheap.. Granted I am comparing it to my Bob james, fred crouch, stanton and my ravens.
The ravens are good reels, priced nicely. The matrix and matrix xl are OK reels, sturdy work horses. Nothing fancy and truth be told the start up is just ok. The SST2 and 3 are very nice start up is quick,but still below that of a Bob James. Removal of the bearings and a proper cleaning makes the real feel like a completely different animal.
For light floats say 1-4 grams the sst3 is excellent. The down side is that it is very light and does not balance very well on longer rod that we use for steelhead 13ft plus.
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You guys need to lighten up
Thats is such a common practice around the world that it surprises me a country with such a rich and deep fishing history would find it so "horrific".
The hypocritical thinking is just amazing. Its ok to grind up herrings, ect for bait, and its ok to impale a fish in the mouth to fight it as a sport, but you draw the line at hooking a livie through the eyes.
No wonder why you all lose you sporting rights, you dont stand together.