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Yes Jeff, I reported it to the EA and NE. I didn't pick the body up, it had been dead for a while and had been run over by a succession of vehicles. Mind you, as it was on the A34 and not the riverbank I suppose it was outside of anglers' jurisdiction......unless of course it had been deliberately run over by a jealous crap angler
Well done Worms you did the right thing. Maybe NE can arrange for an unofficial "escapee" replacement.....leave the cage latch off and turn a blind eye like while having a fag
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Lots of places have them as a result (as Chesters says) of them out growing tanks/garden ponds and being dumped.Some "fisheries" stock them intentionally as a novelty! Some get them due to poor stock management when they buy in their latest top up of small carp!
In my opinion the introduction of any fish from the ornamental trade is EXTREMELY bad news! be they intentional or accidental. This is where most of the "modern" diseases that have ravaged the natural stock of carp (and what a lot don't realise) and other indigenous species.The ornamental trade is rife with disease.
Not only is disease a problem,look at the problem with Crucians that years of interbreeding with Brown Gold fish has caused.The true Crucian is now a pretty rare fish!
Summed up very nicely there Budgie especially regarding the pure crucian, a beautiful looking fish indeed but unfortunately quick to cross breed with "discarded" goldfish and common carp.
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Lots of places have them as a result (as Chesters says) of them out growing tanks/garden ponds and being dumped.Some "fisheries" stock them intentionally as a novelty! Some get them due to poor stock management when they buy in their latest top up of small carp!
In my opinion the introduction of any fish from the ornamental trade is EXTREMELY bad news! be they intentional or accidental. This is where most of the "modern" diseases that have ravaged the natural stock of carp (and what a lot don't realise) and other indigenous species.The ornamental trade is rife with disease.
Not only is disease a problem,look at the problem with Crucians that years of interbreeding with Brown Gold fish has caused.The true Crucian is now a pretty rare fish!
Summed up very nicely there Budgie especially regarding the pure crucian, a lovely looking fish indeed but rare due to the goldfish trade.
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Fortunately the fishing should improve dramatically up in Staffordshire this year. I saw a dead otter on the A34 yesterday. A reprieve for the Trent at last!...Mind you I heard that it was so polluted there were no fish left so goodness knows what the otter was doing there
Hi Worms, did you report it or hand in the dead otter to the E.A.? The E.A. has instructions on their website for all anglers to do this.
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Signed.
All the otters in Oxfordshire really have decimated the fish stocks. The chub fishing this winter has been appalling.
Hi Anderoo,
Truly sorry to hear that.
I am surprised though...with the large expanse / choice of waters you have around Oxfordshire and the lack of otter numbers compared to other area's..... you seem to be particulary unlucky.
While on the subject, very rarely are otters sighted as they are primarily nocturnal hunters and when on the water mainly hidden or push under cover. Recently I have recorded otter kills on a local pond. Due to the size of the carp.... evidence was left otherwise no one would really be aware and look for clues over this winter. After finding the first spraint I found around eight. (To the untrained eye the spraints would be missed but once you find your first one you know what to look for). If someone quite tall goes around even stooped over they will probably still miss the spraints. I put on a pair of waders and walked around the margin closer to eye level. The spraints are just oily smears...placed to warn off competition.
I mention this as if you fish any water that is badly affected by otters the signs will be there. If there's no signs of spraints or paw prints etc... then you are fishing probably unaffected water.
But look on the bright side in Oxfordshire you have so much water to choose from and with your finely tuned "angling skills" you will have no problem finding other worth while spots relatively close to you.
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If any fishery owner wants to have a water just for silver match fishing (and remove pike / carp etc.), let nature do it for you. Install some otter holts. You can get grants for this too!
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hi guys has anyone fished this lake and any tips on deadbait
thinking of sticking a deadbait out while fishing for some live bait anyone know whats hot and whats not on this water?
cheers gary
If thats the one near Woking I have fished it a bit. Better known for the bream fishing.
I know there's pike in there but never fished there in the winter, just the summer time and then for the bream and tench.
This is a still water where the resident chub breed and thrive.... due to the tow. A nice water but a bit far for me these days.
If you google 'goldsworth park fishing permit' - there's quite a bit of infor on the net, including a number of links to previous threads from this forum.
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Errrr - haven't you been doing that for quite a few years now?
move the hour now.. check it out..
http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-1...ightsaving.html
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When I started back into fishing after years out, it was helpful to me to meet and go fishing with someone who's enthusiam carried us both forward...so I know where your coming from.
A few simple suggestions:
1) go to your local tackle shop and have a chat with the employee's / anglers about fisheries in the area
2) find out about the local fishing clubs and have a chat with their treasurer, chairman etc, most club officials are friendly and helpful
3) when the weather warms up a bit more get a day pass for the bus (or cycle) and visit those fisheries and chat with anglers, weekends probably busier
4) once you join a fishing club you should meet other anglers and you never know, they may live local to you.
5) you dont mention whether or not you can drive but you need to learn if you are serious about fishing and travelling with lots of gear but if you are just fishing local waters, travel very light and walk, cycle, scrounge a lift off a mate, taxi, bus.....whatever it takes....
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anyone with any link at all to "quorn" should be ignored! the obviously fish for nut cutlet fish shapes!
the usual nonsense and innuendo of bad anglers! how can you say the place is losing fish without seeing how many fish are being taken ? if you (a genuine angler with watercraft of the area) only get a few the "poachers" no doubt sporting telescopic rods and heavy line whilst keeping an eye out for onlookers wont catch many at all.
i would like to see the picture of the nets most phones today have cameras and if one was found it was probably handed in as evidence so there would be pictures from them as well.
there was a report of "immigrants" stripping the pond i bailiff using lines attached to trees (no wonder we cant catch anything!!!) ,on consultation with the informer the "lines" were the tapes used to keep corms away rolled up under the trees they are attached to
they cannot catch because they havnt fathomed out how to at the pond yet people calling in on the phone reporting cormorants end up with some idiot pointing to a heron another person phoning up at 2 am because the lock was broken and he couldnt get out was because he was using the wrong bloody key
,i would doubt any angler they are just as useless as most people in some areas just as i can see why only idiots are bailiffs 
the anglers think we sit waiting to serve them in the car park 24/7 or have copious amounts of club provided petrol to fly down to help them for the slightest excuse ! i doubt any bailiffs get more than a free permit for their bother i know i use far more petrol bailiffing than the price of a bloody permit! i must be mad!
having to face up to a man mountain because his cheque bounced so your told to remove his permit is far beyond the worth of a permit i can assure you ,some anglers get annoyed having to produce their permit but they would be the first to whine when the bloke next door is fishing without one ,how the fook can i tell whos got one without asking i'm a bailiff not a bloody psychic
Chesters, the one sided relationship between fishing club officers and members was covered by Winston Churchill when he said "Never was so much owed by so many to so few".
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With the proposal to move clocks forward one hour I think it could benefit anglers, e.g.
an extra hour in bed before a crack of dawn session &/or extra travelling time,
A longer period of light in the evening for those that want to grab an evening session, especially those working 9-5.
It does not sound much but that hour allows more flexability and increased opportunity for grabbing a session. Assuming the proposal sees the light of day...
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I'm not a racist but everyone knows who's taking the fish :/
I thought the otter debate had finished..
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The seal seems to be torturing the carp.
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I work on this project with Dave and you would think that they would be glad that somebody was promoting the incentives that they should be pioneering anyway ! The truth is that they seem to resent the projects efforts, perhaps because it just exposes their own inadequecies and lethargy. I hope that the investigation is not just lip service and ultimately serves to get certain individuals to wind their necks in and provide the minimal cooperation to allow the project to grow. Once again the petty politics and jealousies serve to deprive the kids of a worthwhile and healthy interest.
Hi Bartman,
I completely empathise with Dave, yourself and the other volunteers who are freely giving their time to make a council owned amenity a "better place" for the community. I have spent the last 8 years doing the same and by far the the biggest pain.... tax payer funded council staff! You may find some staff even using your work / project material as their own in job interviews like I did!
It would be interesting to know the types of problems you have encountered? We probably could play snap
You probably already know much of the following but councils are made up of a large number of departments that all have different agenda's but all make it their business to stand over your good works whilst not get their hands dirty (workshy). Yet behind the scenes they take personal credit for making the project happen, i.e. after "encouraging volunteers into organising a new group (a "friend of" group name is popular) and agreements being signed, i.e. management agreements, Lease's, Licence's etc. (From now on, as the Leaseholder the group is liable for for any accidents on the site and require insurance no matter what Parks staff tell you (Landlord & Tenant Act 1954).
In my experience the whole relationship is based on a lie from the start, i.e. Parks Regeneration staff claim they cannot apply for grants themselves and to compound matters saying its easy for members of the public that form into an organised group. It took me two years of hassle to begin obtaining grants for my project and I have been a finance officer for 25 years. (The problem for any fishing project is that no grant provider wants to help increase fishing opportunites for able bodied anglers).
Re problem staff - if you complain to the staff annoying you and they dont react positively, you need to document in a notebook unsatisfactory incidents and make a formal complaint to the councils corporate complaints section. Involving your local councillor is an option but they will correspond to the same erant people or their managers who cover it over and nothing changes.
Anyone reading this and thinking of taking on a local council owned water - councils are now even keener to foster work on the community due to a lack of government grant funding but Parks Regeneration Sections are applying for grants all the time but always try fobbing off work on the community siting financial difficulties......if they are willing to lie to me (someone who works in the council) they wont think twice about joe public.
Usually this type of working situation would not last long but as employee's of the Landlord you cant rid yourself of them....and these well paid staff will happily sit back and watch you struggle. Thats all part of why they foster the work out to community groups...... no genuine interest.
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Definitely in line with my experience of Parks personnel in my local authority. I got involved in turning around the fortunes of a council controlled community pond, I could now write a book about all the scheming behind the scenes which mainly started after I had repaired many years of neglect. Never received even a thank you.
With "just" the Parks department, the number of incidents where they argue the toss, repeatedly f-ck things up, waste public funds, tell lies, ignore the bleeding obvious, drag their heels..... truely beggars belief but the most annoying thing of all......butter wouldnt melt in their mouth!
This chap being hindered by council workers ...... its almost certainly based on jealousy after seeing this volunteer achieving something they did not think of themselves or could not organise themselves. To take on the project he must be very committed to it so must be very annoyed to take the action he has. A lot of disagreement takes place before people feel forced to go public.
EDIT: Never ever take on a Lease for a council owned Park / pond. Better to get a large petition together and campaign for the local authority's Parks Regeneration Dept to undertake projects, as its what "the local community wants", i.e. tax payers.
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Maybe worth reading this:
http://bigbash.fishing-buddys.com/index.php?topic=2235.0
Unwise to compare match anglers with "named" specimen anglers... who are just very dedicated pleasure anglers really.
The likes of Alan Scothorne who has won 5 World Championships, regularly competing against the best, their professionalism, amount of preparation, number of adjustments during a match according to varying conditions, reading missed bites, ringing the changes as the fish feed differently and the innate ability to read it as it happens etc etc etc, match anglers are on a totally different level.
Winning the World Championship or the Drennan Cup! Ones the World and the others not even the Commonwealth Games...
I think Tiggers thing about luck is more relevant to specimen angling than match angling.
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Was that a "what, nor again?" laugh Jeff?
I wasted hours on this subject before, arguing with anglers unafffected by otters. Good luck to them.. (anglers not otters).
I have now wasted 5 minutes more! Signing off.
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Worms, any chance you could copy and paste some otter facts onto this topic please...
While we're at it, Watatoad, any chance you could link to some credible sources backing up your opinions on otters?
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Even if we started today, it'd be several years until we'd be ready. Hopefully the economy will have picked up a bit by then. If not, I'll buy a boat and live on the lakes myself
Interesting read at the bdaa. If the idea progresses, I'll make sure we consult with them from the outset.
What area are you from?
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I'd go for an intimate pond - reed fringed with lots of lillies. Species: Crucians, Tench, Rudd maybe a few perch - and I wouldn't object to the odd bream. Definitely no carp or roach. (Or exotics)
C.
Top Marks. There are not enough of this type of water in the country...far too many people want big 'puddle' carp.
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I've seen loads of adverts in the angling press, but they are not in my local tackle shop yet and they often stock most new baits for a trial period.
I have used the stuff....I called into my local shop who had the team of guys in there with the tanks etc. I knew one of them from years ago in the tackle trade who gave me a few samples which caught on my local fishery...but then the fish are crawling up the rods...so it was hard to tell if it was better than other baits.
What they said is that japanese scientists have been making baits with 50 odd ingredients compared with competitors that blend 7, they use natural fish attracting ingredients like krill and nori amongst many others. The bait is not cheap but they said you could get 3 or 4 sessions out of one medium size bag.
All their pastes are made quite wet and the gluten ones you put the hook through and the strands of gluten give strength to the paste.
Be intereted myself how others get on.
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The commitee say they worked with the EA and have taken all precautions, but they have not metioned if they did a proper enviromental impact assessment which they must have with the EA involved. To be honest i am more angry with the EA who have allowed this to happen, i thught they were against non native species. its only a few years ago that pike were put in which i agreed with as the lake is a bit over run with small carp and rudd so needed some predation. ALos i like a bith of pike fishing but pike are natural to the UK and it is unlikely they will over predate but the cat fish is different. I am also worried as the lakes lease does not allow night fishing. the club cannot police this and anglers frustrated at the lack of action for the cats will start breaking the rules. the farmer will then not renew the lease. threre are all sorts of ramifications.
Committee's in principle are democratic but this just shows what can happen when a few shout the loudest.
Maybe you need to look at the club constitution and insert something in there, e.g. need for a ballot of members when changing fish stocking policies. It would cost nothing as any ballot or vote could be part of an AGM.
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No, all of the waters by me have bulging otter populations and equally bulging fish populations.......no artificial stocking just a good healthy natural balance.
Hi Nick,
When was the last time you fished for chub and barbel around Hereford then? Was it 2006, 2007 or winter 2008?
Jeff
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Yep, cheap club book If you want to join me for a day once the rivers open, send me a PM. The club does day tickets for about a fiver. Can't guarantee an otter sighting though!
I wished you'd come clean before when arguing about Otters on your river. Just 2 Otter sightings in 4 years - a rarity then and certainly not over run.
Contributors should come clean when arguing about important issues such as this. Another contributor on a previous otter thread was arguing about fishing and the little effect otters had on the wye and then I found out (after asking a direct question) that they had not even fished it for coarse fish for at least a year and a half...yet was an up to date authority.......incredulous. Even posting old photo's holding fish, in the pretence as if they were recent captures. Sometimes you have to unravel postings... like a can of worms sometimes.
An area I was fishing on the Wye over the past 10 years, I saw Otters (&/or fresh prints) every visit for the past three years, not one sighting every other year but every single visit. And the fishing became dire and still was this winter.
I have said a number of times that anglers on here unaffected by Otters should stop for a second and appreciate that Otters are more prevalent in other area's and causing more problems for other anglers. Having anglers on here saying otters do no harm and then declaring they hardly ever see one......not exactly a balanced opinion is it? Then harping on about how good their chub fishing was this winter...
"Can't guarantee an otter sighting though!" .... I dont think you realise the glib irony?
Be interesting to see if the usual team gang up on Patrick. A refreshing change from me
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Can you get them from the travelling fair...the see through plastic bags must be like suitcases?