Rusty
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Hello John, I'm afraid I can't help with that location either but rest assured somebody who can will be along.
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Brilliant, well done, and a mighty fine reel you're using there.
You appear to be up to your 'nads in water, is this pre-requisite to successful trotting? If so I should be buying long wellies instead of reels.
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Runner? Rider? Lol, nooooooo, I'm the pedestrian, being the newbie in every sense of the word (new(ish) to the forum, first fish-in, first time on the Kennet, first Grayling, and depending upon my fishing until then possibly first Pike too!). Hence I’m looking forward to this immensely!
Well you're in for a treat. I fished Barton Court in March this year, wandered about all day (because I wasn't catching much) and I still didn't manage to cover the entire venue. It can accommodate twice as many people without being crowded. It's one of those venues where you can forget to bring your bait and still have an enjoyable day (almost
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Looking forward to the day, meeting everybody and learning a bit. Who are the runners and riders Chris?
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£156 now still with three days to go. With the last minute flurry of activity and the inevitable snipers who haven't shown their hand yet I'm sticking with my original guess.
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Sorry should've read the whole post
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Not a go at you Rusty, just my immediate thoughts.
And your thoughts are helpful to me so keep 'em coming please.
This is my first season trotting with a CP and my success rate on a particular stretch of highly regarded water is quite frankly miserable so I'm trying different approaches to see if a change in set up helps.
Visibilty, floatability and better float control whilst trotting are what I'm after. I don't use my fixed spool reels for trotting so the mono will be staying on those.
The braid hasn't arrived yet, if it's so thin that I can't see the stuff it'll be up for grabs on here sharpish.
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Thanks for the responses gents,
I'll use the 8lb braid for a light setup and get another reel of 20 odd lb for a beefier rig, doesn't seem right to use a hooklink which is thicker than the mainline but I'll give it a try. The last time I used braid was for backing on my fly reels so I don't think I'm quite 'with the programme' yet.
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Following MC's centrepin & eyesight thread I've bought some Power pro braid in 8lb breaking strain. It's the same diameter as 1lb bs mono which is great but does that mean I can only use hooklengths of 1lb and below? If I use a 6lb mono hooklength (for example) it'll be a lot thicker than the main braid, will this be a problem do you think?
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.......it'll be worth a journey just to see somebody cast a CP that far.
But to Lancashire!!!??? That's a pilgrimage not a journey.
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After meeting Alan myself for a wallis cast lesson (very good of Alan to spare some of his time to do so) I would reccomend contacting him as he's deffo a master at the cast !!
I've pm'd. After roughly measuring out 20 yards in my back garden it'll be worth a journey just to see somebody cast a CP that far.
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Is it a genuine Allcock? which I don,t think it is or could it possibly be an early Fred Crouch. Makes a big duifference to the price as you can get a new Fred Crouch for £125
It's being sold as such and is labelled "Allcocks", the bid interest so soon after listing suggests it isn't a replica. I don't know but assuming it is genuine what do you think it'll sell for?
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They're like buses, these red-boxed Allcocks....
No not that one, the other one.
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To help Elton's quest for world domination (and because it coincides with my recent shopping activity) what do you think'll be the winning bid for the apparently unused Allcocks Match Aerial listed here;
http://centre-pin.co.uk/Store/vintage-reels
The one with the red box, we'll call it Minty for the purposes of the competition. No prize for the winner just the satisfaction of knowing that if you ever need another job you could be a vintage tackle dealer.
Thanks to Tigger for pointing out the reel, neither of us are bidding by the way, he's got too many already and I'm certain this'll be out of my price range.
So it's at £84.00 on the first day of listing with six days to go........my guess is £265.38.
False bidders hoping to bump the price up to their widly optimistic guess will be excluded from the competition.
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yep, good point well made
And a thread stopper if ever I saw one
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Thanks for the replies all.
One of Fred's finest will be heading towards Oxfordshire very shortly. £130 inc delivery seems good value compared to the older used replicas on e-bay. It was a close call between a new FC or the AN 'pin but I'm keen to try a reel without ballraces.
I just need to think of a suitable reply to my wife's inevitable "you have three reels but only one rod" observation.
Edit: I'll let you know Boldbear. I did e-mail Paul Whiteing with a few questions prior to ordering because he does use them mostly for Barbelling. His view was that they are just as competent when trotting. It didn't strike me as sales pitch.
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This from Paul Whiteing might help, it's a response to my enquiries about the smooth backed current FC Aerial.
"Yes, highly recommended for sure. I have two of the old replicas (Match Aerial replica) and three of the new Fred Crouch aerial replicas. The word "Match" is no longer used as part of the name as it is copyright a.n.other company (who do not make reels)"
So after the Allcocks era Match Aerial replicas were being made with a dimpled back (which must be what Ajay has) but by whom? Then Fred Crouch produced them with a smooth back and those are still available albeit not labelled as "Match".
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Brilliant, thank you very much.
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I’m hoping someone can help with this.
I’ve got my eye on a Match Aerial listed at £200 buy it now on Elton’s centrepin website. It doesn’t have the same crinkle finish as other Allcock Aerials so I asked the vendor for a bit more info, his reply;
“This is a reel that was made in the early 1970s by the famous barbel angler Fred Crouch, and is commonly known as the Crouch Aerial. Fred bought all the original Allcocks tooling when the firm closed and built this reel from start to finish completely by hand. It is identical in every way to the Allcocks version. These aerials are much much rarer than the Allcocks version and far superior to the recent modern mass produced models i.e. the Bob James you mentioned. This one is unused and has never been on a rod. You will not be disappointed as it is a snip at the price!”
Googling doesn’t produce much other than a few mentions on a couple of forums, one suggesting that these are (were?) available for about £140 new.
Do you think the vendor is gilding the lily a bit or is the Fred Crouch Aerial a highly regarded reel in its own right (rather than an inferior replica)?
I was quite tempted until googling suggested that the price might be too high.
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My mental arithmetic suggests that there's a chance of a space becoming free for this fish-in. If it does I'd love to come along. Mental arithmetic was never my strong point though.
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Hi Gent's,
I have 2 Okuma Sheffields which can't realy be classed as 'true' pins...
None the worse for it though. Undo the knurled screw and remove the spool. Remove the two screws holding the spool front plate on, they'll be tight first time as they're assembled with threadlock so use a screwdriver that fits the screws properly. Then just push out the bearings, spacer and 'O' ring from the back of the spool. Pop the bearings in a pot of sewing machine oil, cutain/fabric shops should stock it, and give the rest of the components a rub down with an oily (WD40) rag.
Re-assemble in the order, bearing, spacer, 'O' ring, bearing and screw the front plate back on. Attach the spool to the backplate with the knurled screw, tighten the screw such that endfloat is just removed and that's about it. I just store mine in its neoprene pouch.
The ballraces in your reel will have originally been packed with grease so don't get too hung up on which oil to use, 3 in 1 will be fine if you can't get sewing machine oil.
I clean mine after every session but distmantle the bearings maybe once every couple of months, depends on usage.
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If it's his only centrepin I'd suggest he keeps it unless he really needs the £90. It's a nice reel and without it those summer evening trotting sessions will be a lot less enjoyable.
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Are Leeda still going? The Leeda LC and Rimfly range were hugely popular in the nineties. Being sold as vintage tackle now on e-bay.
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I'm working on a little side project at the moment and would like a little help.
What would you say are the top ten 'brands' of centrepin, including all fly reels?
That's a bit spooky Elton. I was just thinking about a review of my two centrepins, a sort of comparison between Okuma and Young products. I don't think your question can be easily answered, depends on what you want from a reel. Chris Plumb's review of the AN 'pin suggests that it would suit most people most of the time, but lots of people own Lythe reels. Why do they buy them?
Do you mean best value reels, longest production run, most pleasing aesthetics, lowest cost etc etc?
Could I have your opinions please?
in Coarse Fishing
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Had a fascinating conversation with Fred Crouch this afternoon. I had a problem with my reel and Fred phoned to sort it out (which he has without quibble) so I took the opportunity to ask him about the history of his replicas. He’s sounds a great bloke, certainly one of life’s colourful characters.
Apparently shortly after acquiring the rights to manufacture Allcock reels during the late 60’s Shakespeare decided that the market for centrepins was on the decline and they were going to drop them from the range.
Fred knew the right people at Shakespeare and negotiated a fairly informal agreement that allowed him to continue manufacturing the reels but not under the Allcock name (not sure how Shakespeare were branding them prior to this). Off he went to the factory to collect the tooling, materials and any manufactured components…about three weeks too late, they’d all been disposed of.
Undeterred he then commissioned expensive new tooling to replicate the leatherette finish as it was called. After selling a few of the leatherette reels a flaw in the tooling caused it to crack, the manufacturer of the tooling had gone belly up and Fred had no recourse to recompense. Funding another set was out of the question and so he started turning the reel backplates on his lathe, hence the smooth backed reels.
It’s not clear at which point he lost dibs on the word “Match” but he did confirm that some original Allcock reels were fitted with the twin vane ratchet knob. He's also unsure as to how many leatherette reels he produced.
Seems the only sure fire way of identifying an original is the Allcock name on the disc label and even then Shakespeare may have made it.
His opinion of fixed spool reels is very entertaining but not really printable.