thanks for the advice on saftey mate and i know that on a lot of sites like this people feel obliged to surmon on the subject and quite rightly so imo ,but im allready quite aware of sfatey in the water having spent 8 years working on the north sea oil rigs,i doubt that many small boat owners that fish the lakes would take along as much saftey gear as i would ,inshore flare pack,fog horn,waterproff vhf radio and mobile phone,saftey whistle,mirror,waterprof tourch,compass,survival bag,saftey knife,first aid kit extra food drink and clothing, and in some ways your right about the difference between a life jacket and a bouency aid in that a life jacket would save u in the event of being unconscious ,but i prefer a bouency aid as its eaiser to swim in and get back in to a boat ive tryed both and find the bouency aids better and at 65n it holds me in the water no probs,mabey the sinking issue is more down to what anglers in boats are wearing, myself ile be wearing a long jhon 5mm wet suite with a couple of non cotton fast wicking thermal layers on top then a semi dry kag and trowsers like the kayakers do witch are lightweight and warm , also some wet boots not walking boots hope all this puts you at saftey fears at ease and we can move back to disscussing boats and there suitabilty thanks Rob.