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Hi all.
Im Danny im from Oldham and am a firefighter, i dont get to go as much as i like. When i do go, i like canal fishing, rivers and the odd commercial.
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ofcourse pike can learn on well fished waters i have had pike following a spinner or plug virtually up to the bank but not take it but some jack grabs it the next pass ,watched the same bigger pike do it more than once then go off in a huff .
trouble is in america land where everything is free a pike may well never have been caught before to learn to be wary ,a bit like our sea fish
seen trout do the same ignoring a particular fly several times but grab a different one the next pass ,it may not be down to being clever or wary but i bet even fish learn we know goldfish can do some very "clever" things so learning from experience may happen on a lesser level for lesser fish? if a trout is kept for the pot the learning part never occurs so perhaps catch and release even things up?
you can do it yourself ,find a section of river thats fly fished and put a bit of bread on you will get as many trout as you can carry ,is it the flies dont look rght to the fish or it gets more wary of flies after being caught on one or the trout has never seen bread before so doesn't see it as a threat ,its not used to bread at all its totally alien so it probably doesn't even know it can eat it
I don't believe a fish has a long memory or a conscience?. They on pressured waters may prefer one bait to another but it does not associate one from being caught.
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Zander is one of my favourite fish. it's looks are stunning and i love catching them. I have spent many years in just about the worst weather and the most bleakest countryside there is.
What's your Experiences in fishing for them?
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True mate Ive certainly never come across "clever" pike! Its the things Ive listed that make them easy or hard to catch certainly not their intelligence! Also unlike a lot of UK carp anglers I also dont feel the need to pass off any failings on my part to catch them as any credit to the pike!I suppose some will say that "fishing pressure" can "wise" pike up to certain baits and tactics. Yes it does have an adverse affect but normally (in my experience) this is a little miss interpreted. When people use "designer" tackle shop brought baits such as coloured baits,sea baits,exotics etc or simply douse them in attractors/oils etc etc then if enough do it over a long enough period of time the pike do stop taking them with the same exuberance. So yes they have "wised up" but only because these type of baits are so easily recognisable (the very same thing that makes them "instant" in the first place,similar to carp baits which have high flavour levels being taken quickly but also blowing very quickly)
When fancy baits are mentioned (as in the recent "Are they any good" thread) I normally reply that they can be good as change baits on heavily fished waters but are not the magical answer some would like to think.But then say that my comment might not be fair as I very rarely have to fish pressured pike waters (soon as Ive caught what I want/what I think is available I move on and this is often before the circus arrives) but when I do have to "compete" with other pikers I'm not really competing as they are all using tackle shop baits and Ive still got my lives and natural deads out! I often catch well using these tactics whilst the other "designer" boys struggle.
I mentioned the above not to boast about what a pike expert I am but to merely point out that pike never wise up to a live bait and very rarely a natural dead! Indicating to me that they are not clever enough to or simply cant afford to!
People say that trout reservoir pike wise up to trolled baits (live dead or artificial) because the extremely poor take to hook up ratio.......true but once again not due to intelligence but simply by their pre formed feeding MO and environment.
No although possibly my favourite fish and fishing I certainly can not say pike are clever!
The word 'Clever' is not really on is it. I fly Birds of prey and hunt with them. There is no doubt in my mind that as they get older they get 'Wiser' but only wiser in catching wild quarry in a hunting situation however stick a dead animal that they would hunt on your fist they will come everytime . They know it will not move that's millions of years instinct not clevererness.
However it all depends if they are hungry . It is just as simple as that.
Also i think it's not the fish being clever it's the angler that gets clever.Even when the fish are hungry if you put the bait in the wrong area then forget it but if you put it in their control route then that's you being wise not the fish.Animals don't alter their route because they have been caught there either take Rabbit runs it is the same principle .
I think the word 'Clever' is used by some fisherman because it boosts their ego to have caught it but it's more like right place right time.
My opinion.
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So you are out fishing for carp and somethingelse homes in on your line or perhaps you have gone with corn or maggot. Maybe put a float out with a big worm in the margins.
What have you had non-carp and what size range?
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As this is session carping i thought i would throw you a discussion on Delkims. I have been out of carping for a while so i am in the market for one. i did put a similar post up in the coarse fishing session and was told that the basic delkim is now about £50!. I was stunned as 20 years a go they were way out of my price range at about atleast £50 for basic and with 20 years of increase i could not believe it.
So off i typed surfing through the Delkims and as usual you have the basic and then the 'Bells and whistles' one at 4 times the price.
I thought to myself what do i want?
Well maybe an old fart i am but 1 light for indication and 2 a light for switch on/off although not really assential. Volume off coarse . Now i come to the rest 'Xmas tree lights' for what . vubration and i know there is more but the fish runs and it makes a buzz yeah, what's with the space shuttle controls?
I am not saying what a waste of money because if you want that then go and get it it's your money and tell the likes of me to sod of!!
The thing is the testing is in the eating so can we assume that a weekends carping session will proove that the £200 will put you more on the bank than the £50 all things equal regarding fish etc.....I dunno but i know some of you lot will so enlighten me guys as if money is no object is it really just 'Justifyable'to spend more?
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hmmm can we have a poll on that
hmm the first lot of answers are biased
if i answer AN is over moderated that could mean i like to argue but get a an email from our beloved leader to refrain from being so naughty
If i answer AN is under moderated that could mean hey why is that poster getting away with this because it disagrees with my post
If i answer AN is over moderated that could mean hey why is that poster getting away with this because it disagrees with my post and i argue i get a email
If i answer AN is under moderated that could mean hey why is that poster getting away with this because it disagrees with my post and i argue i get a email not realising the other poster got one so is careful not to re-argue the point made somewhere earlier so the first argumentee thinks the second is getting off with what he cannot
hmm this poll thing is difficult
I was back here in 2000 and then left. Just gave up as lost interest
On second thoughts what a daft post.....
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Yup I can make a few suggestions and indeed will PM you a couple. We are quite spoiled for syndicates in this area but also have some quite reasonable "club" fishing as well. Some of them have so much water on them that you can (within reason) still get that exclusive feeling from them but not of course the "camaraderie" of a syndicate.
What sort of price are you prepared to pay? How much fishing would you want (some are rotored or have rod hour /day/night limits. Just to narrow it down a bit as the ones I can suggest to you range from a mere £300 a year to just under £2k. Also I assume you want the membership for as soon as possible as all have waiting lists but some are shorter than others. Some even have a "try before you buy" option and most I can get you a look round on first.
Jesus that sounds great mate...cheers. I am looking really for a session obviously. To be honest i am not after massive fish but say a good head of 20's. i like 'Camaraderie' its always good to have that i think.
I can wait a few months but either now or spring is good.
Cost wise anything up to about £600 i think the Mrs won't let me over that , may have to bluff her a bit
. Looking more at tonbridge so more middle and upper kent but can venture into sussex especially East. Was looking at XL carp but a long way off for me.So to sum up...up to £600..Session Carping...A good head of 20's no need to be higher although it would be nice. And mid to North kent and Sussex. Security would be good also obviously and i think syndicate.
look forward to PM....Thanks mate...
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Yeah. I always wanted Delks but thought they were out of my price range..Cheers that sounds good to me....
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What a nightmare nowadays. when i left off fishing it was Delkim, Fox, Diawa and that was about it. i had the Fox Microns. They were good although i felt a little too sensitive but in general all round quite good. Delkims were always the most expensive and nobody really liked the diawa as they were a bit bulky and not sensitive enough. No tones, No sensitivity and i think 2 colours. blue was just coming in and they charged you £10 extra!
Then the Fox micron was about £70 and i remember delkims being way higher. Now looking around for a set and blimey 3 for £20!
Chinese i guess. Thought i would look at a new micron £25!!! That's a third as much so i am chuffed with that. The thing is i see the old microns on E-bay i used going secondhand for the price of a new latest model. Delkim seems to have stayed at the top end of the cash trail
So i have to ask . is the Micron as good as the original as a third of the price makes me think No. But then supply and demand could have brought the price down and the quality is the same. I was just surprised how much cheaper they were...Whats the catch?
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I have fished for Pike about as far North as you find them in Scotland (North and West of Inverness) and I don't think the difference is anything to do with location but much more to do with the type of loch. I used to fish one loch that was shallow, alkaline and heavily weeded. I caught my PB from there on a float fished Sardine fished up against the edge of sheet ice that covered half the Loch. It was a great place for winter piking.
I also fished large and very deep glaciated lochs that were usually acidic with no weed, but I didn't fish them much after October.
They were hard enough in summer and of course on a nice summer evening you had the joy of the highland midge to contend with. In winter they were dead. You wouldn't believe that they had a fish in them.
My favourite pike fishing was in summer, fishing around the margins with the fly from a float tube.
The scene on those lochs in summer must be stunning!
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Good for you, I quite fancy the broads.
I go there twice a year. Once in October for the pike and then with the wife in July for anything that gets on the hook. This year i caught the biggest Eel i have ever seen. I should have weighed it but it was ruddy huge....
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Fishing really large lakes becomes much like fishing the sea - fish are not evenly distributed and the main skill needed is locating them. Fishing large, deep lakes is even tougher since you not only have to deal with the surface area but also with the depth so that fishing 10-20 feed above or below the fish is as unlikely to bring success as fishing the correct depth but a half mile away.
If the water in a deep lake is not flowing, you also have to deal with stratification since below the thermocline, oxygen levels are too low to support fish.
Since my understanding of UK conditions is that most of the large, deep waters are in the north, I'd say it would be a bit different up there calling more for a locating skill set than the usual issues of what bait and how to present it.
Bewl Water...
Ardingly
Bough beech
Chipstead
And that's just in kent and sussex. They are huge huge lakes . if you include Oxford and surrounding areas even more. Locating by bank is a waste of time. you may have seen matt hayes series on ardingly and that's one of the smaller ones. I think the winner would have to be the lochs in Scotland and the Norfolk Broads but to be honest i would not find that pleasurable even in a boat . It's just too big all of them. You need fish finders and i can't be done with all that.
I like the Broads as the waterways are ideal to fish from the bank. i know some very good hot spot one is which i caught a 35LB er and i aint telling you where that is as i have had a 30 from the same spot
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And don't forget East Anglia
Those Norfolk pike are as dim as the people, bless them.
Red Knecked Pike
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In my book anything past Watford is the North.
Is there something as a East/West devide?. Bristol is North but then its West??
Many brummies do not think they are either more as the midlands.
I see it as the South... Midlands and North.
As far as pike fishing methods i see no differece it depends on the fishery concerned and what method!
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Same as I said to the other fella Hawk exactly what are you looking for?
I guess i like just a good head of everything. I enjoy my fishing more now i am retired (well thanks to BA redundant) . it does not need to be huge carps but maybe plenty up to around in the 20's although i am happy with the smaller ones. On the smaller side i love my perch and general but not to small or else my indicators go off all night upsetting me but mostly others.
i guess to where i can turn up and get a swim too. i have some spare days during the week when i am not volunteering for the NSPCC so it depends what i am doing there but pretty much flexeble. i like the idea od syndicates as you know who can be next to you and maybe pop in for a chat and also no idiots chucking out their rods out every hour with a lorry load of bait until at the end of the day they have killed your swim as well as there's...GRRRRRR!
That's it in a nutshell Budgie. i live in the Bromley/Biggin Hill area so i guess kent or sussex would be my range.
Anything else mate you need to know ?....Thanks . You can PM me if it's more convenient
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the record carp for decades was caught using cane
never used the ru-lite its past its best ring wise but i have had "memory" days using old tackle ,my most memorable was two hours down at the local pond with a hardy altex and a Apollo taperflash ,now i used to blame my constant tangles and having to cut the line on the cheap tackle of the time and being a kid ,but 2 hours was all i could stand! i went home with just as many tangles as i did 50 years ago using crap gear ,on retrospect the "best" then was not the best as i said earlier and money hardly came into it which also comes to the fore in this topic ,theres bad ,theres middling and theres good but you can rarely find good good however much you chuck at it .
i like middling and making the difference in cost to the good come down to cider ,if something was great it always would be but you will find those that base judgement using money as a criteria will quickly be parted from it when their great is outdated by the next one ,the old "great" will be down to its real value in the shops and it will be considered then as a cheap bit of tat
i have a 6ft locker in the loft full of rods i couldnt afford lusted after as a youth and beyond and considered "great" rods now strangely i would get funny looks if i used them ,modern materials come down to two things "light" and "thin" not fish catching ability that lies with the person on the end
rods do nothing more tan they did in the stick rod era and reels do nothing more than hold line ready for use like they always did ,refined i admit but still doing the same function
nowadays tackle is like cars ,cars and tackle used to be made ,now they are assembled in the mainstream ,there isnt a factory that makes only one manufacturers blanks nor reels anymore (daiwa maybe an exception????????) the tackle companies merely order X number of reels from a chinese company grinding out millions of clones all that is different is down to the outside the inside is pretty much unchanged for 50 years ,if a company wants something not being ground out by the million he pays dearly so makes the end price higher but its still off those same old conveyors ,nothing new the tacke trade has been exploiting low paid cheaply sourced stuff for decades ,in the end the only company that didnt was intrepid where until 1970 all their reels were "made" ,not competitive to do it even then so imports started appearing ,orvis considered a high end fly reel company was using the old intrepid company to make its reels so it was cheap reels being sold as premium even then
cost does not make tackle better in most cases ,being hand made does not make tackle better ,materials do not make stuff better only thinner or lighter ,a "great" bit of tackle is great until the next bit comes out and someone no doubt getting it free says its great ,by the next edition its a new great
my old PDQ isnt a great rod it was perhaps barely a middling rod but its never let me down ,its holdable for hours ,its cost has been recovered decades ago because i am happy to keep it ,IMHO my PDQ is a classic but only to me but thats good enough for me
you can instantly tell if a reel is good rather than bad see if you can order spares ,hopefully its not the case of replacement because quickly your reel will become not so good when that batch of reels is all sold and the new boys on the block trundle of that conveyor
if people want to get the latest because its the latest its down to them but i like to keep my money what little i have of it and spend less later ,i waited decades to get my collection i have lots of patience
That's a great post chesters
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Exactly what are you looking for and how much can you pay?
i guess i am hijacking a thread but it seems not to be responded to so i will ask the same question same area. Prices i have no idea but around £300/£500 or am i miles out?
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To a little fished Lake [for Pike anyways] on the NAA ticket ,Going to lure fish it in the morning and then deadbait in the afternoon ,Getting butterflys now sorting gear as no one seems to target the lakes for them and just think it could be good for a biggy...
Good luck to you and enjoy the day
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for someone (as many on here have) that have experienced rods from trees down to carbon is it down to the fact that some people are so weak they cannot hold a rod all day.
now comparing greenheart to carbon yes indeed they are heavier but people did use them ,in some case its the diameter of rods that helps it a thin pole is easier in wind than a thick one definitely
but comparing top end glass to low end carbon theres little difference in weight but does the ounce or so lost from really thin carbon rods make that much difference your prepared to fork out several times the cost ? a few push ups in the morning is no doubt far cheaper
as for titanium rings they dont make a jot of difference only the tip ring and butt ring do anything the rest just keep the line in place ,in casting i know my old PDQ will cast a very small float to the middle of the pond underarm far easier than any carbon rods i hear "swishing" trying to cast with bigger floats to the same spot fancy eyes or not
whats the weight of a modern rod and reel? you cant tell me you cannot hold that weight all day if its an ounce heavier
if you think cheap rods are heavy try my sowerbutts ru-lite (giving the impression its light) 16ft 1950's glass rod then moan cheap rods are heavy I had a cheap secondhand glass rod when i was a kid starting out. You never had anything much different back then. Well you did but i could not afford these hi tech Carbon flash rods
That rod must way a ton. How do you think it matches up to handling bigger fish in our waters now?
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Agreed. Unless it was second hand....
Maybe i should have worded it better. No doubt there is a difference but could you justify the £250!
But then i guess its up to the individual but unless someone could convince me that it is i waill stick to my £50/£100 bracket
All the best
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I haven't mentioned carp or pike rods but i'd still prefer to use a decent one over a poker. I have some shimano Diaflash specimine rods which are good for casting but are also excellent for playing a fish on. A cheap poker rod may throw out a weight but it will give you no pleasure when reeling in a fish.
I agree with a seriously low priced rod but a £50 rod would i feel make no difference reeling it in to a £300 one.
I think it is like most things you pay over the odds for the 'Badge'. I heard a discussion which went on for hours about whether Fox was better than Diawa...They did not even talk about what style rod or fishing. Quite incredible!
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Chesters, they're better because they're more comfortable/ pleasing to use than cheap heavy monstrosities. Regarding reel seats, the fujis are better because your reel stays attached to the rod. It's easy to come up with shite like...I used to catch fish on a clothes prop etc etc, i've no doubt people have done but i'm sure they'd prefer to have used a high quality lightweight rod, especially if trotting all day.
IMO ..I think it can depend on what type of rod you are using. In a quiver or float i think you pay for what you get however in the carp rods i am not so sure. a £50 rod or £300 carp rod can you really justify that massive difference....perhaps you can but i can't..
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All,
Let's see if I can word this correctly? I have owned a rod or two, I've broken a rod or two. I've never broken a rod "serving it's intended purpose" regardless of cost.
The number of rods I've broken with "fish on" can be counted on one hand. The number of rods I've broken with a "target" species on, as best I can remember is ZERO.
What do you believe the "return on investment" is in expensive rods. I have come to believe 99% it is "the guy who dies with the best toys wins".
Maybe you can justify "quality" reels and "quality" line but how about the rod?
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I think most rods providing the specifications as in TC are what you want. Apart from maybe extremes of the priced rods i really believe that most of the rods in the middle priced sector make no difference. I might only have a few posts but i have fished for over 30 years and its the end tackle that really matters!
I am after a Carp rod and i have read so many reviews . It's a bit like going into a video shop being swomped with videos and then coming out with nothing..LOL
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