Waveney One
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I wonder if Charles managed to get that walking stick back through customs.
My daughter-in-law who hates fishing said she would start if the scenery was as spectacular as that on last night's programme. She works for the EA as well!
Tony U I think the neighbours might complain! :-)
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Another great programme with wonderful views of the Himilaya's . That big trout was a wonderful fish as well.
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I would love to get in a time machine and take todays tackle back to the Parlour pool on the Hampshire Avon 50 years ago. I would sack up! Mind you I would still use a centre pin reel, just a carbon fibre rod and the hooks and line would be different. Shot and floats would be the same as they were then. Shot because it was better if you got the good stuff and floats because those lovely old handmade Avons were a work of art.
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Yes, Thanks for replying Charles. I have posted about the lack of Angling on the BBC and whilst I agree that it is unlikely that they will ever do an out and out angling programme, when you consider the numbers it doesn't really make sens.
Anyway a great programme and I look forward to the rest of the series.
One question if you look at this again. I raised the question of hair rigging the ragi. Seemed to me that as the balls were so hard, it might be easier to hook fish that way. Someone said that the mahseer crush the ragi, but have you tried hair rigs?
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This something that I've been harping on about for a few years now. But you can't put all the blame on TV prog's. I was in the newsagents on Saturday, and while queuing I looked down at the magazine's, there were 5 in a line, all carp specific, and the rest, bar one, had carp as the main front page feature.
I wonder what comes first though gozzer, the TV programmes or the mags? Surely the mags are just catering for the demand. Most 10 year olds get their info from the TV the interest is generated and they then go and buy a magazine surely. A lot of the kids I teach ask questions like 'Have you ever met Matt Hayes?", "what is the biggest carp you have caught?" - 19lb 8oz by the way, caught whilst bream fishing on the tip - had 2 19lb ers in a couple of weeks from different waters bream fishing.
I suppose one of the commonest is "What is the biggest fish you have caught?" but thinking back that last one is probably one that I asked people as a kid. -
The last time I took juniors Pike fishing, I set up a rod pod with bites alarms on and float legered dead roach. They were amazed that the float registered the run long before anything happened to the alarm. I explained that relying solely on using the alarms can lead to deep hooked fish. They also enjoyed seeing the float run along and slowly submerge.
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There seems to a great lack of young pleasure/match anglers. I find it very worrying that on most matches I fish, the average age is probably 50 or more. One of the main reasons for the lack of young people going into match fishing I believe is the upsurge in carp fishing. I blame this squarely on the TV programmes where there are very few that cover aspects of the sport other than specimen fishing. I get youngsters for coaching that after a couple of lessons want to go carping or piking. I have terrible problems explaining to them that there is a lot more to fishing than sitting waiting for a bite alarm to go off. The progression through roach, perch, chub, tench etc to specimen fishing is vital to becoming a good angler in my opinion. In fact I started with stcklebacks a net and a jam jar. That is what they want though.
The problem is they get all the gear, sit it out getting bored for a few outings without any runs and then put all the gear onto e-bay and never pick up a rod again. There was a 30lb + carp caught by a 12 year old at the Suffolk Water Park the other week. I had breakfast with him the next morning. He was absolutely full of it. Great for him I suppose but where does he go from there? Chasing bigger and bigger and fish? I suspect that every 20 lb fish he catches now will be a let down. Sad but very true.
This is a special interest of mine, getting youngsters into fishing, hence my coaching activities. If you have an active junior section in your club, have you seen the Allthingspiscatorial website? They have a special page for clubs with junior sections and if you want you can put your club details on there for free. The Gipping Valley Angling Angling Club has a thriving junior section. One of the keys seems to be to have some active members with kids that wish to fish. That is where the momentum comes from in my view.
The link is http://www.allthingspiscatorial.com/...glingclubs.htm
I know that Steve Gray who runs the site is keen to get as many clubs as possible listed on here. The site gets frequent mentions in Angler's Mail, and on Keith Arthur's Fishermans Blues radio show on Talksport Radio. Keith often gets asked by listeners where can they take their kids to get some coaching and Steve Gray's listing is somewhere Keith can direct them.
What is your opinion?
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That's fishing for you I suppose. Always a lot harder and a few blanks can be expected as the fish shoal tighter.
I have to agree though that perhaps a reduction in the price would be sensible. Apart from anything else, some pleasure sessions are going to be shorter than they are in the summer. To us matchmen, it doesn't matter that the hours are shorter and it is a match after all. What does annoy me though is when we have to pay the full price for a match instead of getting a discount. Who else is going to line the banks when the fish aren't feeding and it is cold and wet? Like everything else, have your say - you will be accused of moaning of course- then vote with your feet. If enough do it, maybe these people will see the light.
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The Wensum in Norwich fishes brilliantly during the winter but parking anywhere near the river is now a nightmare. During the summer it is clear and weedy like most rivers round here. The salt didn't get up there that far and Nick Larkin had some good fish out last Saturday he told me. Fish up to 12 oz from about 6 oz, nice dace as well. In the summer you have the additional problem of boats. Not as bad as they are at Wroxham though! Might be better off below Norwich at Brundall. You also need to fish early and late to avoid the boats.
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I thought the programme was great and likely to appeal to the general viewing audience that it was no doubt aimed at rather than the dedicated, closed minded fisherman. It also went to show that there is more to angling than just catching fish. The filming and editing was top class, scenery was brilliant and having been to India, I can assure you it gave a small insight into what it is like. Missed the smells, squalor and noise though.
More power to the BBC for showing the programme, and to those who didn't appreciate it then I would say lighten up a little and be pleased that the BBC have at last put something on their screens that should again show angling to be perhaps the world's largest participant sport. Enjoyed by millions throughout the world on all continents.
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It's probably been covered on here before, but as an occasional visitor from the coarse site I haven't seen it mentioned. I would have thought lamprey would make a good sea bait. It is tough and stands up to casting well. It has a lot of blood and smell to it. I would have thought it would make a great tope or conger bait, perhaps for cod and in strips for whiting as well. Anyone use it?
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Sometimes you can get an old office metal type cabinet cheap. They are often just chucked out. I have one in my garage, so don't know if they are waterproof but with the shelves taken out then they are large enough for rods and are lockable. Fixing it securely to a fence or something is essential as chavender says.
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Sums it all up nicely Steve. Well said mate.
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Steve, the water quality survey costs aren't coming out of the fisheries budget as far as I am aware. I was just giving an instance where the EA do something for sea anglers. I fully agree that the polluter should pay, but they don't unless the ACA takes up the case. What we want is a sitution where the potential polluter has to pay to prevent the pollution in the first place.
I certainly wouldn't want to see a situation where if you paid enough you could pollute as much as you wanted. This appears to be what is happening globally where countries can effectively buy extra carbon emmission allownces.
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Welcome mate.
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Mr Mathew, you make a valid point. We don't want the extra money going to the EA though as it would just get lost.
Bingo, I would certainly like to see where and how the money is spent laid out a lot more clearrly. There is info there, but the accounts are 100 pages long and full of information that is totally irrelevant to most of us!
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Erm... Why exactly...?
Perhaps the state should subsidise my cinema going?
Quite simply, no pay no say as Keith Arthur has said. Apart from which, the EA are responsible for checking the outfalls into the sea just as much as they are for rivers. They are responsible for water quality of the inshore waters.
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Looking at the grant in aid situation. Looking at the analysis of receipts and payments in the EA's accounts, (page 113 if anyone is interested) it appears that there are some other grant in aid receipts for things other than fisheries. Thefigures are as follows:
Fisheries £16.5m
Recreation and conservation £10.7m
Navigation £13.9m
However, although 'other receipts' for fisheries including rod licences total £27.1m the receipts for R & C total only £0.9m and Navigation £5.2m which includes a mere £3.3m for navigation licence receipts. This compares with at least
It seems that we are, as usual, getting the muddy end of the quant pole when compared with boaters. We get less than we put in, boaters get considerably more.
Another interesting point is that there were only 34,062 migratory fish licences sold in the year ended 31/3/05. How much of the fishery budget goes towards salmon and sea trout I wonder?
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By the way, sea anglers would also need to purchase a licence and pay a levy. It has always seemed strange to me that they were exempt in the first place.
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Thanks for the info lads, I will study them in detail. As an accountant, at least I should be able to make some sendse of it.
Going back to the topic more directly. I feel that any increase/levy must be matched by at least an equal amount from the Government, whether that be directly or via sport england.
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If you are going to fish the specimen lake at Melton, then a 1 3/4lb TC should suffice. There are a lot of large bream and tench in there as well as the carp which do run large. It is not too easy though and full of weed. Similar to the Specimen Lake at the Sufolk Water Park. If you fish Match Lake 1 at the Suffolk Water Park, you only need a normal feeder rod, 6lb line and 5lb hook length. This time of the year an open end feeder with fishmeal groundbait and a few pellets in it with double red maggot on the hook will be the best bet. USe a size 16 or 18 Kamasan Animal, barbless. Keep hold of the rod, because they do pull unattended rods in there. Clkip up and cast 25 - 30 yards out pegs 23 to 30 are often the best. There are fish to double figures in there. I have caught them. My mate had a 12 pounder last Tuesday. I had them to 8 1/2lb that day. You will get through an awful lot of carp between 1 1/2lb and 6lb though before you get a double figure fish.
Don't go to SWP Match 1 on Sunday though as there is an Open match on!
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I always clip up when fishing at at a distance. If you don't then the chances are your distance will alter during the session. If I am fishing into deep water then after the cast, I bring the rod behind me before the feeder hits the clip. When it hits the clip, move the rod forward to cushion the shock, close the bail arm and follow the line down with the rod tip.
At distance, if you do the maths, there is negligable distance lost between a dead straight line and the angle the line goes down. Take into account the natural belly in the line caused by the wind and the arc the feeder flies and there is no distance lost at 40 yards(120 foot) in 20 foot of water.
The maths for those interested where the distance between the rod top and the feeder (X) is (120 * 120) + (20 * 20) = X * X
X is then 121.65. Now if the water is shallower the distance is less, in 10 foot it is less than a foot. As I say this takes no consideration of the belly in the line. Now if you can cast within a foot and half every time at 40 yards in the wind and rain you get in the ROI then you are a better man than me.
Clip up and follow the feeder down with braid. You will also see any bites you get on the drop and you won't have much slack to take up. Also another tip, use NISA flyers they are the most accurate feeders in a cross wind.
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Where do you get your figures from Steve? All I can find is this on the EA website
"Financing our activities
We raise charges on those we regulate or those who benefit from particular aspects of our work:
• Our flood defence activities are financed primarily by grants from the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) and the National Assembly for Wales (NAW) and levies on Local Authorities .
• Expenditure on water resources is funded entirely through charges made for licences to abstract water from rivers and other waterways.
• For our remaining functions, relating to environmental protection, fisheries, recreation, conservation and navigation, we receive our funding mainly from charges for licences, supplemented by Government grant-in-aid.
• Government and other grants £640m (65%)
• Charges and levies £309m (31%)
• Other income £37m (4%)"
Now, I believe that only 1.2m rod licences are sold - not sure if that is just coarse or if it includes migratory fish licences. If you assume that the numbers for concessionary licences and migratory fish licences balance each other out and the licence charge this year as we know is £24 then the income from anglers is roughly £29m.
It would be a lot clearer if the EA published figures.
Of course a lot of the EA's resources have an indirect affect on angling as well. Not all of them good of course. What I do know is that cuts have been made by fisheries departments because of the drop in the grant-in-aid reduction by the government that was pushed through with hardly a whimper from our governing bodies. As I said above, as far as I am aware, proportionately far more is spent on salmon fisheries than any other aspect of the sport.
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No I don't Bob. What I do know is that as well as the rod licence money, which goes to fisheries, the Government put a proportion of that in. It used to be that the more licence sales the greater the income from the government. Last year this government changed it and reduced the proportion that fisheries got from them.
I will have a hunt for the figures and see what I can find out.
BARBLE ON THE BLACKWATER (ESSEX)
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There are certainly barbel in the Suffolk Stour. I have seen them and know people that catch them. Only to about 6lb that I have heard of though.