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They don't want it either, but threatening the EU with no deal always reminds me of this scene.
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Cameron could say what he wanted, if those people had voted no, he would not have got it. Every one of them owns Brexit just as much as Cameron does.Yes you could say exactly the same about the Iraq war they all voted for it but Cameron was the one who instigated Brexit then ran away like a coward Farage did the same ran over to the states hoping for gold and glory and got sent home packing with his tail between his legs ,
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The following all voted in favour of the European Union Referendum Bill in the House of Commons at 12:35 pm on 9th June 2015, and are all equally culpable with Cameron.he is to blame for this mess him alone
Diane Abbott Labour
Debbie Abrahams Labour
Nigel Adams Conservative
Adam Afriyie Conservative
Peter Aldous Conservative
Heidi Alexander Labour
Rushanara Ali Labour
Lucy Allan Conservative
Heidi Allen Conservative
Graham Allen Labour
Sir David Amess Conservative
David Anderson Labour
Stuart Andrew Conservative
Caroline Ansell Conservative
Edward Argar Conservative
Victoria Atkins Conservative
Ian Austin Labour
Richard Bacon Conservative
Adrian Bailey Labour/Co-operative
Steven Baker Conservative
Harriett Baldwin Conservative
Stephen Barclay Conservative
John Baron Conservative
Kevin Barron Labour
Gavin Barwell Conservative
Guto Bebb Conservative
Margaret Beckett Labour
Henry Bellingham Conservative
Hilary Benn Labour
Richard Benyon Conservative
Paul Beresford Conservative
Luciana Berger Labour/Co-operative
James Berry Conservative
Jake Berry Conservative
Clive Betts Labour
Andrew Bingham Conservative
Bob Blackman Conservative
Roberta Blackman-Woods Labour
Nicola Blackwood Conservative
Tom Blenkinsop Labour
Paul Blomfield Labour
Crispin Blunt Conservative
Nicholas Boles Conservative
Peter Bone Conservative
Victoria Borwick Conservative
Peter Bottomley Conservative
Karen Bradley Conservative
Ben Bradshaw Labour
Graham Brady Conservative
Tom Brake Liberal Democrat
Julian Brazier Conservative
Kevin Brennan Labour
Andrew Bridgen Conservative
Steve Brine Conservative
James Brokenshire Conservative
Nick Brown Labour
Lyn Brown Labour
Fiona Bruce Conservative
Chris Bryant Labour
Karen Buck Labour
Robert Buckland Conservative
Richard Burden Labour
Richard Burgon Labour
Simon Burns Conservative
Conor Burns Conservative
David Burrowes Conservative
Alistair Burt Conservative
Dawn Butler Labour
Liam Byrne Labour
Ruth Cadbury Labour
Alun Cairns Conservative
David Cameron Conservative
Ronnie Campbell Labour
Gregory Campbell DUP
Alan Campbell Labour
Neil Carmichael Conservative
Alistair Carmichael Liberal Democrat
Douglas Carswell UKIP
James Cartlidge Conservative
Bill Cash Conservative
Maria Caulfield Conservative
Alex Chalk Conservative
Sarah Champion Labour
Jenny Chapman Labour
Rehman Chishti Conservative
Christopher Chope Conservative
Jo Churchill Conservative
Greg Clark Conservative
James Cleverly Conservative
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown Conservative
Ann Clwyd Labour
Vernon Coaker Labour
Therese Coffey Conservative
Ann Coffey Labour
Damian Collins Conservative
Oliver Colvile Conservative
Rosie Cooper Labour
Julie Cooper Labour
Alberto Costa Conservative
Geoffrey Cox Conservative
Jo Cox Labour
Neil Coyle Labour
Stephen Crabb Conservative
David Crausby Labour
Stella Creasy Labour/Co-operative
Tracey Crouch Conservative
Jon Cruddas Labour
John Cryer Labour
Judith Cummins Labour
Alex Cunningham Labour
Jim Cunningham Labour
Nicholas Dakin Labour
Simon Danczuk Labour
Wayne David Labour
Geraint Davies Labour/Co-operative
Byron Davies Conservative
Mims Davies Conservative
Chris Davies Conservative
David Davies Conservative
Philip Davies Conservative
James Davies Conservative
Glyn Davies Conservative
David Davis Conservative
Gloria De Piero Labour
Thangam Debbonaire Labour
Caroline Dinenage Conservative
Jonathan Djanogly Conservative
Nigel Dodds DUP
Jeffrey M. Donaldson DUP
Michelle Donelan Conservative
Nadine Dorries Conservative
Steve Double Conservative
Stephen Doughty Labour/Co-operative
Peter Dowd Labour
Jim Dowd Labour
Oliver Dowden Conservative
Jackie Doyle-Price Conservative
Richard Drax Conservative
Jack Dromey Labour
Flick Drummond Conservative
James Duddridge Conservative
Michael Dugher Labour
Alan Duncan Conservative
Iain Duncan Smith Conservative
Philip Dunne Conservative
Maria Eagle Labour
Angela Eagle Labour
Clive Efford Labour
Tom Elliott UUP
Julie Elliott Labour
Michael Ellis Conservative
Jane Ellison Conservative
Louise Ellman Labour/Co-operative
Tobias Ellwood Conservative
Charlie Elphicke Conservative
Bill Esterson Labour
George Eustice Conservative
Nigel Evans Conservative
Chris Evans Labour/Co-operative
David Evennett Conservative
Michael Fabricant Conservative
Michael Fallon Conservative
Tim Farron Liberal Democrat
Suella Fernandes Conservative
Mark Field Conservative
Frank Field Labour
Jim Fitzpatrick Labour
Rob Flello Labour
Colleen Fletcher Labour
Caroline Flint Labour
Paul Flynn Labour
Kevin Foster Conservative
Yvonne Fovargue Labour
Liam Fox Conservative
Vicky Foxcroft Labour
Mark Francois Conservative
Lucy Frazer Conservative
George Freeman Conservative
Mike Freer Conservative
Richard Fuller Conservative
Marcus Fysh Conservative
Mike Gapes Labour/Co-operative
Barry Gardiner Labour
Edward Garnier Conservative
Mark Garnier Conservative
David Gauke Conservative
Nusrat Ghani Conservative
Nick Gibb Conservative
Dame Cheryl Gillan Conservative
Pat Glass Labour
John Glen Conservative
Mary Glindon Labour
Zac Goldsmith Conservative
Helen Goodman Labour
Robert Goodwill Conservative
Michael Gove Conservative
Richard Graham Conservative
James Gray Conservative
Chris Grayling Conservative
Chris Green Conservative
Damian Green Conservative
Kate Green Labour
Justine Greening Conservative
Lilian Greenwood Labour
Margaret Greenwood Labour
Dominic Grieve Conservative
Nia Griffith Labour
Andrew Griffiths Conservative
Ben Gummer Conservative
Andrew Gwynne Labour
Sam Gyimah Conservative
Louise Haigh Labour
Robert Halfon Conservative
Luke Hall Conservative
Fabian Hamilton Labour
Stephen Hammond Conservative
Philip Hammond Conservative
Matthew Hancock Conservative
Greg Hands Conservative
David Hanson Labour
Harriet Harman Labour
Mark Harper Conservative
Harry Harpham Labour
Rebecca Harris Conservative
Carolyn Harris Labour
Simon Hart Conservative
Alan Haselhurst Conservative
John Hayes Conservative
Helen Hayes Labour
Sue Hayman Labour
Oliver Heald Conservative
John Healey Labour
James Heappey Conservative
Chris Heaton-Harris Conservative
Peter Heaton-Jones Conservative
Mark Hendrick Labour/Co-operative
Nick Herbert Conservative
Sylvia Hermon Independent
Meg Hillier Labour/Co-operative
Damian Hinds Conservative
Simon Hoare Conservative
Margaret Hodge Labour
Sharon Hodgson Labour
Kate Hoey Labour
George Hollingbery Conservative
Kevin Hollinrake Conservative
Philip Hollobone Conservative
Adam Holloway Conservative
Kris Hopkins Conservative
Kelvin Hopkins Labour
Gerald Howarth Conservative
John Howell Conservative
Ben Howlett Conservative
Nigel Huddleston Conservative
Tristram Hunt Labour
Jeremy Hunt Conservative
Rupa Huq Labour
Nick Hurd Conservative
Imran Hussain Labour
Huw Irranca-Davies Labour
Stewart Jackson Conservative
Margot James Conservative
Dan Jarvis Labour
Sajid Javid Conservative
Ranil Jayawardena Conservative
Bernard Jenkin Conservative
Andrea Jenkyns Conservative
Robert Jenrick Conservative
Jo Johnson Conservative
Alan Johnson Labour
Gareth Johnson Conservative
Diana R. Johnson Labour
Boris Johnson Conservative
Susan Elan Jones Labour
Marcus Jones Conservative
Graham Jones Labour
Gerald Jones Labour
Kevan Jones Labour
David Jones Conservative
Andrew Jones Conservative
Mike Kane Labour
Daniel Kawczynski Conservative
Barbara Keeley Labour
Seema Kennedy Conservative
Sadiq Khan Labour
Danny Kinahan UUP
Stephen Kinnock Labour
Julian Knight Conservative
Greg Knight Conservative
Kwasi Kwarteng Conservative
Peter Kyle Labour
Norman Lamb Liberal Democrat
David Lammy Labour
Mark Lancaster Conservative
Pauline Latham Conservative
Ian Lavery Labour
Andrea Leadsom Conservative
Phillip Lee Conservative
Jeremy Lefroy Conservative
Edward Leigh Conservative
Charlotte Leslie Conservative
Chris Leslie Labour/Co-operative
Oliver Letwin Conservative
Emma Lewell-Buck Labour
Ivan Lewis Labour
Clive Lewis Labour
Julian Lewis Conservative
Brandon Lewis Conservative
Ian Liddell-Grainger Conservative
David Lidington Conservative
Peter Lilley Conservative
Rebecca Long-Bailey Labour
Jack Lopresti Conservative
Jonathan Lord Conservative
Tim Loughton Conservative
Ian Lucas Labour
Caroline Lucas Green
Karen Lumley Conservative
Holly Lynch Labour
Craig Mackinlay Conservative
David Mackintosh Conservative
Fiona Mactaggart Labour
Justin Madders Labour
Shabana Mahmood Labour
Khalid Mahmood Labour
Anne Main Conservative
Alan Mak Conservative
Seema Malhotra Labour/Co-operative
Kit Malthouse Conservative
John Mann Labour
Scott Mann Conservative
Rob Marris Labour
Gordon Marsden Labour
Rachael Maskell Labour/Co-operative
Chris Matheson Labour
Tania Mathias Conservative
Theresa May Conservative
Paul Maynard Conservative
Steve McCabe Labour
Kerry McCarthy Labour
Karl McCartney Conservative
Jason McCartney Conservative
Andy McDonald Labour
John Martin McDonnell Labour
Pat McFadden Labour
Conor McGinn Labour
Liz McInnes Labour
Patrick McLoughlin Conservative
Stephen McPartland Conservative
Ian Mearns Labour
Mark Menzies Conservative
Johnny Mercer Conservative
Huw Merriman Conservative
Stephen Metcalfe Conservative
Maria Miller Conservative
Amanda Milling Conservative
Nigel Mills Conservative
Anne Milton Conservative
Andrew Mitchell Conservative
Madeleine Moon Labour
Penny Mordaunt Conservative
Jessica Morden Labour
Nicky Morgan Conservative
David Morris Conservative
Anne Marie Morris Conservative
James Morris Conservative
Grahame Morris Labour
Wendy Morton Conservative
David Mowat Conservative
Greg Mulholland Liberal Democrat
David Mundell Conservative
Sheryll Murray Conservative
Ian Murray Labour
Andrew Murrison Conservative
Bob Neill Conservative
Caroline Nokes Conservative
Jesse Norman Conservative
David Nuttall Conservative
Matthew Offord Conservative
Melanie Onn Labour
Chi Onwurah Labour
Guy Opperman Conservative
Kate Osamor Labour/Co-operative
George Osborne Conservative
Albert Owen Labour
Ian Paisley Jnr DUP
Neil Parish Conservative
Priti Patel Conservative
Owen Paterson Conservative
Mark Pawsey Conservative
Teresa Pearce Labour
Mike Penning Conservative
Matthew Pennycook Labour
John Penrose Conservative
Andrew Percy Conservative
Toby Perkins Labour
Claire Perry Conservative
Jess Phillips Labour
Stephen Phillips Conservative
Bridget Phillipson Labour
Chris Philp Conservative
Eric Pickles Conservative
Christopher Pincher Conservative
Daniel Poulter Conservative
Steve Pound Labour
Rebecca Pow Conservative
Lucy Powell Labour/Co-operative
Victoria Prentis Conservative
Mark Prisk Conservative
Mark Pritchard Conservative
John Pugh Liberal Democrat
Tom Pursglove Conservative
Jeremy Quin Conservative
Will Quince Conservative
Yasmin Qureshi Labour
Dominic Raab Conservative
Angela Rayner Labour
John Redwood Conservative
Steve Reed Labour/Co-operative
Jamie Reed Labour
Christina Rees Labour
Jacob Rees-Mogg Conservative
Emma Reynolds Labour
Jonathan Reynolds Labour/Co-operative
Marie Rimmer Labour
Laurence Robertson Conservative
Geoffrey Robinson Labour
Mary Robinson Conservative
Andrew Rosindell Conservative
Steve Rotheram Labour
Amber Rudd Conservative
David Rutley Conservative
Joan Ryan Labour
Antoinette Sandbach Conservative
Paul Scully Conservative
Andrew Selous Conservative
Naseem Shah Labour
Jim Shannon DUP
Grant Shapps Conservative
Virendra Sharma Labour
Alok Sharma Conservative
Barry Sheerman Labour/Co-operative
Alec Shelbrooke Conservative
Paula Sherriff Labour
Gavin Shuker Labour/Co-operative
Tulip Siddiq Labour
Keith Simpson Conservative
Chris Skidmore Conservative
Dennis Skinner Labour
Andrew Slaughter Labour
Ruth Smeeth Labour
Angela Smith Labour
Jeff Smith Labour
Andrew Smith Labour
Nick Smith Labour
Owen Smith Labour
Chloe Smith Conservative
Cat Smith Labour
Royston Smith Conservative
Julian Smith Conservative
Henry Smith Conservative
Karin Smyth Labour
Nicholas Soames Conservative
Amanda Solloway Conservative
Anna Soubry Conservative
John Spellar Labour
Caroline Spelman Conservative
Mark Spencer Conservative
Keir Starmer Labour
Andrew Stephenson Conservative
Jo Stevens Labour
John Stevenson Conservative
Iain Stewart Conservative
Rory Stewart Conservative
Bob Stewart Conservative
Gary Streeter Conservative
Wes Streeting Labour
Mel Stride Conservative
Graham Stringer Labour
Graham Stuart Conservative
Gisela Stuart Labour
Julian Sturdy Conservative
Rishi Sunak Conservative
Desmond Swayne Conservative
Hugo Swire Conservative
Robert Syms Conservative
Mark Tami Labour
Gareth Thomas Labour/Co-operative
Derek Thomas Conservative
Nick Thomas-Symonds Labour
Maggie Throup Conservative
Stephen Timms Labour
Edward Timpson Conservative
Kelly Tolhurst Conservative
Justin Tomlinson Conservative
Michael Tomlinson Conservative
Craig Tracey Conservative
Anne-Marie Trevelyan Conservative
Jon Trickett Labour
Elizabeth Truss Conservative
Thomas Tugendhat Conservative
Anna Turley Labour/Co-operative
Karl Turner Labour
Andrew Turner Conservative
Stephen Twigg Labour/Co-operative
Derek Twigg Labour
Andrew Tyrie Conservative
Chuka Umunna Labour
Ed Vaizey Conservative
Shailesh Vara Conservative
Valerie Vaz Labour
Keith Vaz Labour
Martin Vickers Conservative
Theresa Villiers Conservative
Robin Walker Conservative
Charles Walker Conservative
Ben Wallace Conservative
David Warburton Conservative
Matt Warman Conservative
Angela Watkinson Conservative
Catherine West Labour
James Wharton Conservative
Helen Whately Conservative
Heather Wheeler Conservative
Chris White Conservative
Alan Whitehead Labour
Craig Whittaker Conservative
John Whittingdale Conservative
Bill Wiggin Conservative
Mark Williams Liberal Democrat
Craig Williams Conservative
Gavin Williamson Conservative
Rob Wilson Conservative
Phil Wilson Labour
Sammy Wilson DUP
David Winnick Labour
Rosie Winterton Labour
Sarah Wollaston Conservative
Mike Wood Conservative
William Wragg Conservative
Iain Wright Labour
Jeremy Wright Conservative
Nadhim Zahawi Conservative
Daniel Zeichner Labour
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Yes, there is a real problem with educational attainment amongst boys, especially working class boys, especially white working class boys. This needs to be taken seriously, and dealt with.
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I'm still pretty goddam privileged, Ken. I guess if I did get equality imposed on me, it would feel a lot like oppression. I'm not worried it's going to happen soon.
I'm well aware of what's going on (mostly) in the US, and of the people who have made a career out of complaining about it (and in the case of Alex Jones and his fellow travellers, lying about it). I think Brits complaining about it have a lot in common with my friend who is always posting memes about racial oppression from US sources. We don't have the same degree of historical and current oppression, and we don't have the same degree of backlash. We don't have the pernicious racism of the US, though we have more than enough, and apart from a few silly NUS snowflakes we don't have the same degree of reaction to it.
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The combination of economic depression and populists using nationalism and the stirring up of people's basest emotions against out-groups in society to offer simplistic solutions to complex problems fits well. We don't have a massively technologically superior society turning up and colonising us.I'm surprised that the situation is being likened to Nazi Germany and the persecution of the Jews.
How about a situation where the indigenous peoples were overcome by the mass influx of immigrants, i.e. USA, and Australia? It didn't turn out too well for the locals when different cultures, religion, and lifestyles, were imposed on them.
I watched an interesting set of documentaries on the Holocaust recently, and the most chilling thing was the realisation that the people enabling and committing atrocities were not coerced. They believed the propaganda. They believed that their hatred against fellow human beings was justified. They were just ordinary human beings.
If it happened again, I am quite certain that people we each know would collaborate, in the sincere belief that they were doing the right thing.
Fomenting hatred is a dangerous game.
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Same as Jim's - walking and quacking. The extreme nationalism and scapegoating minorities are the worrying behaviours for me.Yes, there was a lot of it about and often it was even codified into hateful works of "philosophy":
Where is your evidence that Salvini, Orban etc are fascists?
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There's nothing remotely authoritarian about any of the parties or people I listed,so as is so often the case "fascists" just seems to be a synonym for "people I don't agree with".
Far right, ultra-nationalists busy scapegoating minorities for the nation's ills in hard times. We've seen it before, Ken, and it didn't end well. It's happening across Europe, as it did in the 30's.There's nothing remotely authoritarian about any of the parties or people I listed,so as is so often the case "fascists" just seems to be a synonym for "people I don't agree with".
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Not really. Godwin's Law refers to the accusation of being just like Hitler when discussing people who are not like Hitler. We're talking about fascists here, they don't get to disown their crimes so easily.Reductio ad Hitlerum.
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In my opinion, the most damaging and dangerous effect of the illegal migration crisis is the oxygen it gives to groups like Lega Nord. Has Europe forgotten what happened last time it indulged their sort?
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Winning hearts and minds there.
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I think that is what I was thinking of too. Campden tabs not Milton tabs.
Have to be a bit careful with them, the SO2 they give off (especially when you add citric acid) is quite dangerous around asthmatics.
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I don't think I'd go as far as banning art because of the crimes of the artist, but I could understand if individual radio stations decided that it was in poor taste to play MJ, Glitter, Harris, etc. Depends how strict you want to be with it, though, we could lose a lot of music! Wyman, Bowie, etc. Lots of other dubious artists beyond kiddie fiddling too, Wagner is a bit controversial. The BBC can easily stop playing music by paedophiles, but they might need to get the hammer and chisel to Broadcasting House if they want to remove the work of massive pervert and abuser of his own daughters Eric Gill.
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I have made home brew on and off for the last 30 years or so, but never used Milton. I used to use Campden tablets (sodium metabisulphite) and citric acid for sterilising. More recently I have used cleaner/steriliser which is chlorine based, just using the tablets to stabilise.
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If you google the msds, Milton is certainly chlorine based now. How long it has been, I know not.
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Starstruck, I guess. And maybe a bit greedy. He pretty much groomed the entire families. Extravagant gifts, travel, top hotels, the best of everything. Perhaps only saw what they wanted to see. Didn't want to see what they were trading for it.
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Well, perhaps if they start organising field trips to Pride (or to titty bars for that matter) that would be the time to rein it in. For now, I'm going to stick to my original position that these objecting parents are religiously inspired homophobes.
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Having just watched the first part - I completely believe the alleged victims.
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I do not have a problem with gay people, but please let's not confuse telling kids about gay people with possibly promoting it??!
That confusion appears to be the reason people have a problem with it. You cannot promote it. People are or are not, it is not something they choose. May as well say we promote left handedness by telling them there is nothing wrong with it.
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That is a bit of whataboutery - yeah, some feminists have a problem with Snow White and consent. They should probably lighten up.
I still dont see what harm is going to come from children knowing as much about gay people as they know about straight people - i.e some people love each other. Nothing about sex. Do you have a problem with gay people?
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So a childrens story with a bride and groom meeting, marrying and kissing would be sex education and presumably something youd want to ban from primary schools?
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Who is talking about sex, Ken? Is talking about marriage and parents sex education?
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No - but there's more to citizenship and society than sexuality and when those very same primary schools steer clear of describing heteronormative family groups where daddy is around (or even making father's day cards as a class activity) because so many of the kids present have single mothers, it strikes me as bizarre for them to go out of their way to normalise gay relationships.
Those books on different types of families describe two parent heterosexual families too.
I know gay people. They're normal. Why wouldn't you want people to think they are normal? None of this seems like a big deal to me.
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I dont think the two are mutually exclusive.
Is it fair to say that you dont think primary schools should teach anything about citizenship or society, just the 3 Rs?
E U. Should we stay or should we leave.
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The only way to resolve this is to put it to the people again, in my opinion. Parliament can't decide. No Deal means economic collapse. Any deal the EU will sign up to means we become rule-takers and financial contributors with no say on the rules. If we want a better deal than we've got (while still getting no say) we have to compromise on the very things like freedom of movement that people voted leave to escape. We know what we're getting now. If we still want it, fine.