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River Severn - lots of mud, no roach 10-12 November 2021


The Flying Tench

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I booked myself a couple of nights in a B&B in Bewdley in the hope of catching some Severn roach and maybe beating my river roach pb, a modest 1lb 2oz. Alas, things didn't go to plan, but as with all failed angling trips I'm hoping I can learn from the experience!

Wed: arrived at 2pm at a BAA water, Blackstone Farm where I'd been reliably informed I could drive along the bank, only to find BAA hadn't sent me the lock combination. Just past office hours so I couldn't phone them up. Grrr.  Hung around for an hour till a friendly BAA angler let me in. Oh dear, I'd forgotten how high the banks of the Severn tend to be! In light rain the overall impression was 'mud, mud, (in)glorious (very slippery) mud!'  With difficulty I somehow got down to a fishing point, but was at a loss how to approach the fishing. The river seemed to be belting through, even though the height was normal. Where on earth would the roach be? When dusk came I felt outclassed by the river, and had no idea how and where I would catch any roach.

Thurs: The fishing shop manager cheered me up with the assurance people were catching a lot of good roach, and put me onto a couple of swims where the flow wasn't too fast and where, despite my dodgy back, I could handle climbing down the bank without falling in - just!  The first one, in the town centre, looked particularly promising. I fished feeder, trying both bread flake and pellets and started getting tentative bites, but never hooked a fish, despite fishing in this swim most of the day. One point of interest was that bites normally came after feeding liquidised bread, though, strangely, bread flake on the hook was ignored. In fact the best bites came on 6mm halibut pellet immediately after feeding liquidised bread! I was fishing an in-line feeder (is this the right term? I mean the line went through the swivel, not through the feeder itself.) I had sanded down the quiver tip so that it was, I thought, super sensitive.  So the question for me is how I could have converted some of those, mostly tentative, bites into hook-ups. Then I spent an hour exploring the other peg I'd been given to no avail.

Friday: a partial answer that had come to me was that, as the pellets were attached by a hair, the roach were holding the pellets cautiously in their mouths without engulfing the hook. So I planned to spend the morning experimenting with sweetcorn. Alas, there had been heavy rain in the night, and I knew the banks would be more slippery than ever, so decided to call it a day.

2 questions - I'd appreciate any thoughts

1. How could I have converted some of those bites into hook-ups?

2. What footwear do you use when the banks are very slippery?

Thanks

John

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Hi John, 

So sorry you drew a blank, the Severn can be a harsh mistress at times, and it seems she was not in a benevolent mood. 

Of course knowledge you gain from blanks are probably as useful as better days, but if the shoals of Roach don't show up then not much you can do, the Severn is huge, and the Summer months the Roach are very catchable with feeder tactics that are intended for Barbel, which in many ways us counter intuitive as the Roach, big roach can be very shy in other venues. 

There are some very good Roach catches being reported at the moment, so it's encouraging, we talked about the Bristol Avon, and as said it used to be a good venue for big Roach, but surely the Kennet is at least as good? The Kennet is nearer to you and would be my first choice, perhaps the whole country. 

Of course as is the way of the angler we might travel past better venues in thinking the grass is always greener....Perhaps John we should look at our tactics, I would always prefer a float over a quiver for Roach, I reckon maggot and caster to be better in the winter, and dusk of course for the bigger fish.

But above all location location location,and big roach are very shy, and need finding, time spent searching more than fishing would pay off I reckon. 

Just now when fishing the Warks Avon, and more than ever the only bites seem to come at dusk, as it was yesterday, perhaps the big splash I heard just downstream  that became the Otter in front of me is a major factor in the need to fish late?

Big Roach like upper river systems, the Bristol Avon is a good example of this, above Malmesbury for example where they live alongside Trout. 

Martin Bowler did a video recently on gravel pit roach, he had at least two over 3lbs I believe, the venue was Bradley's pit South Cetney, I used to live within 200 yards of there, but it was Tench then, I had no idea the Roach would grow that big there, but the conditions obviously suit the, and I suppose all the carp baits help. 

Upper Bristol Avon upper Thames too, we have Cricklade, a brilliant bit of River, that in most part is free fishing, that's not far from you. 

My little river we spoke about had I noticed a good amount of streamer weed, that for me is gold, not sure if there are any decent Roach but there are Chub and the occasional Barbel, but Tuesday in between falling down the bank, I had Dace Chub and Minnow!, but good fun. 

Add Chippenham to possible Roach venue, free waters too alongside the Avenue De Flech (or similar) and beyond, cracking potential for Roach?  

Speak again ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi John

I would have failed too, and probably have fallen into the drink, to boot.

I've no advice from personal experience but did read in the Angling Times recently that the hair on a pellet rig needs to be really short (so that the pellet is touching the bottom of the hook)  as roach are adept at spitting them out immediately they feel the line.

Not saying this is the answer, but hope it helps.

 

Martin

 

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