yoxer

"However correct you may be in the long term, the problem you highlight was rooted back over 50 years and possibly more, when our manufacturing base was replaced by a financial base because it offered a faster return - and in the short-term better returns in purely monetary terms. Everyone has had a valid opioint to make in this thread, but that just goes to show how complex and disturbing the situation we're in really is. " Yes it was highlighted 50 years ago, it was in fact highlighted at the dawn of capitalism as it was well understood that the system can not or could never work without coming to the conclusions we are seeing now. Poledark is spot on , if it wernt for credit being " freely " introduced years we would have found ourselves in the exact same situation as is now coming, as there is not the work for the life style we wish to obtain. Our manufacturing base was never replaced as such , we could not compete and still cant when there are people literaly working for bowls of rice etc, and the days of cries saying " Oh yeah but they are producing crap " is absolute nonsense. The situation is not complex at all, the solution remarkably simple.What is complex is how you maintain the standard of living you think your entitled to.

you can skirt around these issues all you want and continue to lay the blame at whoevers feet you want , however until theres work available that will support and finance the population of a country your fecked if you operate within the system being used. There is not the work because others will do it more cost effective than you are willing to. Until this is addressed you cant proceed. End of story.

Sorry Ken I cant , the benifit system is just for the feckless not those that have vissible assets. They need you paying in to provide for them. Klinkboat. Tell me how a man that is incapable of work can look after a lady , who is registered deaf/blind and is wheelchair bound, 24hrs a day 7 days a week. Must go 4hrs to take off

I neither want or expect answers to those posts as it points out everything that is wrong and sick in our welfare system , that promotes nothing but reliance and dependance , and if you want someone to scream at , then scream at the fecking government and yourselfs for doing feck all about it ta ta Im off back to the sierra nevadas de santa marta to breath in some air on my rock and nettle strewn veranda

and are you also saying that in this wonderfull welfare dependant country of ours, that you , a man incapable of work, is in a better position to care for someone that is registered deaf/blind and is wheelchair bound ?

or are you just sayng you work 24/7 but dont get paid so you need the IB in order that you can do that ?

are you saying that your in paid employment and receiving IB ?

"Yak diver, that piece of drivel was aimed at me!! " It was indeed but please dont take it as a personal attack as I really dont give one stuff. You are fairly articulate man are you not ? One that has run a successful business are you not ? Are you honestly saying that while your capable of posting up on here your incapable of using that computer to generate an income for yourself ? That there is absolutely no work you can do ? Or is it that you just think that others that need to struggle to support themselves wont mind helping you out aswell. And that other bugger that moans and whinges on about "OK you can sit on your arse and you don't have to go out to work "Great" but you now have to watch every penny you have, heating or eating, think about it, I don't think you would like it." has he ever asked , or even thought that the very people supporting him may not be able to afford the luxury of heating never mind a fecking comp to type away on . Its just me me me with you feckers aint it

I'll explain this to Klinkboet. I dont know and dont want to know why you are claiming IB benifits. What I find totaly unacceptable and is beyond a shadow of a doubt is that the system of benifits is being abused and not by any minority. What I find so appauling is that people have the audacity to post up a topic , Seven Myths about Incapacity Benefit , and yet they are quite capable of sitting on their arse knocking out post after post or struggling down to see doctors etc etc. You were a man running his own business were you not ? Are you so now incapable that you cant find any way of supporting your self , is it too difficult to use your computer. You want it handing to you on a plate my friend . Its your rights init

"And then you have to ask yourself "why would I do this, OK you can sit on your arse and you don't have to go out to work "Great" but you now have to watch every penny you have, heating or eating, think about it, I don't think you would like it. " there are people out there that struggle to work every day of there lives including sundays that have to watch every bloody penny without being forced into supporting other people too idle to lift a finger

"the threat to that governments stability it was crapping itself in the end the people chose to elect a new government for better or for worse " ahhhhhh that threat . So the government thought ...oh hold on we had better destroy the countries manufacturing base and then people will like us and vote us back into office. Yes, its all starting to make sense now isnt it , it had feck all to do with manufactures not being able to compete in a global economy after all.

"The manufacturing base of this country, posed a threat to the than government.2 Really ?? and just what threat have you imagined that to be ?

and tax credits , just what piece of pathetic nonsense is that all about eh

"The skills that had been taught and learned in the manufacturing industries, went to the wall. Workers who had skills and pride in their work, were forced to take low paid, unskilled, repetitive jobs, with no future and very little incentive other than paying the bills." Manufacturing went to the wall because the could not compete in the global market . The workforce had outpriced itself , no doubt in order to pay the crippling taxes imposed on them and a life style which waasnt capable of support. The crippling taxes that are supporting this welfare dependent country

"As an individual with mental health problems I find your put downs both pathetic and offensive." Im most terribly sorry to learn of your mental health problems Nick , perhaps this is why you find my put downs both pathetic and offensive. If you are claiming benifits for this condition , do you think its right that others that need to work for their living should be forced into contributing to your welfare , or would a chartiable donation be more acceptable should they consider your problem to be their problem as well

{admin note - sorry yoxer but very offensive remarks directed specifically at another member is a bit OTT. Please back it of a notch and stay more generic with talk of situations rather than specific people. Newt}

In another recent interview Dwane Hoodie , live in lover of 17 year old mother of 6 Sharon Chave said " God Im so depressed aint I like. I need more money an' a bigger house to bring up me kids because I love me kids an' it's not fair that some people have got a bigger house than me just 'cos they got a job an' I 'aven't. Im sooooooo depressed about this and after all its me rights to have a big house with 6 kids init like... the guvermint should ought to respect that and respect me an' me kids. I don' know what we're gonna do when the new baby arrives 'cos the council ain't give us a bigger house yet and me mate Adam reckons that it's all the stress that's makin' me tired all the time so I can't get a job.Ha ,I can hardly get out of bed on a evenin. They've probly given all the big houses it to some immigrunts "

"Yoxer - I still want to know from you , how it is a "doddle" to get on IB!!"

#127, it rarely makes finacial sense to use your own resources if you can obtain them from a source that is prepaired to supply them cheaper. It never makes sense to use a more expensive product to use in the production of other products when competeing against other competitors using that cheaper source. While this wasnt the only reason , it is undeniable, and a situation that could never be maintained. "could it be fair to say that these people have given a big fat two fingers to their leaders and with this outlook on society rubbing off on their children?" Indeed it could even though there was never a viable alternative and does also go a long way why people are taking advantage of the benifit system. Not because they are sick or do not want to work but because there is no incentive for them to work. #128, of the 190,000 LEGAL immigrants coming to our shore every year, how many are using the benifit system ? All of them ? Also this is just one more reason for scrapping the benifit system entirely. Im not too certain of these figures and cant be arsed to check as its not a point worth arguing over however I thnk Im right in stating that if we do have 190,000 legal imigrants coming into the UK we are actualy running at a loss as 254,800 are leaving the UK, a rate of 700 per day.

"You, in your ignorance (or is it egotism), have forgotton about all the immigration we have had since the 80's. quite a high percentage of those immigrants are currently receiving benefits, NHS cover, free housing and council tax etc." Right first time , its ignorance. Please tell me how many of those immigrants are currently receiving benifits and what the high percentage is , or is this just a wild stab in the dark

#68 ......... "Mmmm! Let me think. What happened to this country, in the 80s? What changed the life and attitudes of a large part of the workforce? What forced men who had worked in a skilled industry, to apply for low paid service industry jobs. I could go on, but do I really need to? " Yes you do, do you think we should all still be down the pits etc? Can you say what the attitudes of a large part of the workforce are ? Do you now think the pittance of what passes as a the minium wage is a good idea in a global economy in which we can no longer compete ?

Klienboet. It is the same with everything you can name including quatumn physics or brain surgery. Once you know how its done its a doddle. I can only repeat do you think the UK population has changed so much over the past two decades to justify such a increase. Half a million people under 35 claiming Incapacity Benefit?

Thanks John , I was mortaly offended

"There would be questions every 2 weeks at least " Really ? What question would that be Nick ?