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The exact same thought did cross my mind, too. But, isn't the angling trust supposed to encompass all angling practices?
Yes, but after just 3 months into the job!!!! Its a bit harsh to collectively criticise a body that has 4 different sectors, all of which are used to working to their own specific agenda or principals, and then expect them to speak with four tongues, it will take time, if they are still making these mistakes 18 months down the line then I would accept that you have a case, but come on, do you go straight into front line firefighting after 3 months, do you not get training and a transitional period??
Why not afford these guys the same respect.
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I'm no fan of Robson Green and think he comes across as a bit of a plonker on that show, but his comments were nowhere near as daft as the one asking whether Elton kills coarse and game fish because he has complained. I mean,.....what's all that about?
Perhaps the person from the angling Trust who was asked for a quote or commenting on the story was from the freshwater and coarse sector where catch and release is considered a standard practice, that is certainly my assumption, after all, the Angling trust is comprised of all sectors of the industry. There is nothing to suggest that this was a comment made solely by a member of the marine team, in fact the wording of the response indicates that it was not, my point before the usual howls of derision commenced was that it is understandable that someone not associated with sea angling i.e. a coarse rep may make a general comment or quote that fits the bill for their sectors, but not necessarily will ring wholly true for sea angling. To deride the marine team and AT in general for comments made by a single person is largely unfair.
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As someone who likes to bring a few fish home for his family, I really do take exception to this line:
As a member of the AT, I've emailed them to let them know.
So you knock your tench, carp, perch roach and chub on the head then Elton, and you would happily break rules on Sea trout and Salmon
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Its all that Leon Roskilly's fault, he misrepresented Martin Salters importance to the Labour party
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Done a non-fishing trip at folkestone the wekend, i was usless, first time since december as we get blown off with the wind. In december we see scallop draggers, going up and down, guess what, we see a scallop dragger going up and down, this time it was very close inshore.
Wondering if they have been targetting them all this time and do the have an effect on the ground, do they have by-catch, do they have an effect on the shell fish they drag up and have no sale value. I also noticed a nice new scallop shell beach being formed inside folkestone harbour.
It'll be that bloody Leon Roskilly again
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Cheers for that info Steve, good to know.
I'd still blame that darned Leon Roskilly, it has to be his fault, it usually is
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You must be so pleased glennK
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By the way are the NFSA still running or have they amalgamated into a super power yet?
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Did you think your post deserved better then?
I didn't.
Did you mean, "You're supposed to take anti-acid tablets for an excess of bile"? And, "Sounds like you're just taking the acid tablets on their own"?
Go and write one hundred lines; Not everyone has to agree with my views and support the NFSA. I've made it easy for you by showing you the correct spelling.
Going to the trouble of outing Jaffa on the forum is very sad behaviour. You must be a very sad individual. Did you do it because he doesn't agree with you either? Just how far will you go to try to make everyone follow your ideals? You wouldn't be too difficult to "out" if anyone could be bothered.
If your giving out teaching and spelling lessons Steve, there's a few on here who are much more in need than me, although that doesn't fit in with your argument, which is not very strong if you have to resort to insults. While your taking your acid tablets you may as well take some chill pills, you'll end up with chronic indegestion taking your self so seriously.
If Jaffa is Alex Salmond then that was one hell of a flukey guess, especially as I was not trying to 'out' anyone other than a tongue in cheek comment.
Jesus H. the reason no-one comes on the conservation board is because a few of you have your shreddies stuck up where the sun dont shine, lighten up man, go fishing or something!!!!
If you had taken time to read my original comment surely it must have struck you that it was tongue in cheek, of course I could have added a couple of smiley's but that would have been too obvious. Chill out Steve your beginning to sound paranoid.
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Yeah, sure. I suppose the moon is made out of cheese too?
I don't think so.
You can get tablets you know.
Wow, great come back Steve.
Your supoose to take anti-acid tablets for an excess of bile, sounds like your just taking the acid tablets on their own.
No.It will give little back to sea-anglers while tying them into a revenue stream for a toad with a very big mouth. That toad will evolve and evolve.
A lot of the "information" anglers are getting is coming from people the are either obsessed with a single species, or are greens that happen to fish. Just MO
So sell this idea to me?!
I live in the Ne of Scotland, I shore fish the same marks i did 30 yrs ago, and i catch fish! I now kayak fish a fair bit and i catch lots of fish but still pretty much use the same old same jigging feathers/lures on the drift I ever did. I read the mags, read the forums, have picked up a couple of excellent ideas, but on the whole nought much has changed.
Exactly what is so good that I sign up for giving up my freedom to fish as i like for an ever changing contract with politicians and civil servants?
You are Alex Salmon and I claim my £5 recognition fee.
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That is the most reassuring and sensible paragraph I've read for a long time.
It's a shame that we don't have a similar system in place, within RSA, to keep the lunatics at bay.
But we have my dear boy, we have.
Its called the NFSA, and a bloody good job they are doing as well, keeping the lunatics at bay that is.
Bd.
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I may well have a degree in fisheries management, commercial skippers ticket and 20 years seatime,
Blah Blah Blah Blah..... But your still going to tell us right..... I've got this, I've got that, I've done this & I've done that, from experience usually means you've done fook all and know even less
So many Danglers rant on about commercial over fishing this, and over quota that; then go and flog their fish for a few quid on the side.Your evidence of this is where exactly? Right so you come on an SEA ANGLING forum call fook out of anglers in your first post and expect credibility.
....illegal fish sales by anglersand unlicienced craft has a substantial impact upon wild stock populations. Flooding the local markets with cheap illegal fish, would very obviously lower the price licienced commercial fishermen would achieve for the catchGenuine question' which wild stock populations are these then that have been significantly impacted by anglers'
Funny I went down Newlyn market early the other morning and was amazed by all the anglers lined up selling their illegal fish, Elizabeth was beside herself, as where the merchants, all these anglers selling boxes of fish. The MFA officers didn't know what to do with themselves all this illegal fish being sold by illegal fishermen, driving the cost of fish down. One MFA officer I spoke to said its the same all over the country, no matter where you go, at every market in the land there's anglers selling boxes and boxes of illegal fish on the markets. Of course they are far too busy to put a stop to it chasing the odd commercial bounder.
Anglers are very quick to say there are in excess of 1million anglers in the UK, and that RSA brings in more money to the local economy. Well, if that 'pie in the sky' figure is correct, 1 million anglers would have a massive impact on uk fisheries.This 'pie in the sky' figure you seem so concerned about, if its wrong then it blows your argument out of the water, either they are a significant financial driver or they are not, your argument does not stand up to scrutiny, if you say the figure is wrong, then they cannot have an impact on UK fisheries.
The actions of a few does not mean that every commercial fishermen lands illegal fish does it !!Strange, but I've read this thread over and over again, but can't find anywhere, were anyone (other than yourself above) states that all commercial fishermen land illegal fish. Are your experiences real or imagined, or do you normally just talk poop.
That would be like saying all anglers get drunk, verbally abuse the general public walking past, leave any fish they catch lying all over the beach, along with all their litter, discarded line, hooks and bait.Some do; but i'm intelligent enough to realise that not all anglers are like that, and the few give the majority a bad name.
Once again, something that only you talk about,
your not doing very well so far are you, I'd get that chip seen to if I was you, it seems to be giving you a list.So you put them back after you have had your kicks and cheap trophy photo? How many swim off to die a slow painfull death related to the 'experiance' you have put them throughI've no idea, and neither have you, one thing is for certain, the survival rates are a damned sight greater than being dragged along the seabed in a 90mm to 120mm mesh net for up to 3 or 4 hrs hauled to the surface and then dumped back overboard because the fish is either too small, not the right size (there is a difference), not a targeted species, not the right kind of species, not worth landing or illegal to do so under the quota system. You are not in a position to preach to anglers over the ethics of capturing fish.
RSA impact on wild stock populations is much larger than anglers give account for. Prove me wrong.Possibly, but as you haven't proved anything yet, I fail to see what I'm trying to disprove. I don't think anyone would deny anglers kill fish, and in the end quite a considerable number of fish will die, either for consumption or as a result of being caught. However, if you are saying anglers kill more fish than are killed by commercial fishing, then I reckon your living in cloud cuckoo land I will not waste my valuable time arguing with an irrational nutter.
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HA - Still punting the usual drivel i see (PMSL)
You are one of the worst "self appointed authorities" there is!! (pot & kettle !!)
Wake up and smell the coffee - illegal fish sales by anglers and unlicienced craft has a substantial impact upon wild stock populations.
Flooding the local markets with cheap illegal fish, would very obviously lower the price licienced commercial fishermen would achieve for the catch.
A lower market price means increased fishing effort. I would have thought even you could work that out. Obviously I have been crediting you with far too much intelligence.
Not that sharp are we, 19 ton of Dovers landed by your buddies flooding the market, and you can only blame anglers. Never mind sharpshooter, footshooter is more appropriate, its about time tools like you 'woke up and smelt the coffee', your ignorance and drivel insults genuine fishermen, and your pathetic attempts at ridiculing anglers shows you to be exactly that - pathetic.
How someone with such a lack of understanding of fisheries and who obviously has such a low intelligence themselves can make assumptions and or castigate a third party as to their own level of intelligence is quite remarkable, did mummy write your reply for you.
Now jog along and go and play with your toy boat. Are you a wannabe fisherman
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If they suffer from condensation on an open Yak, they'd be even more susceptible on a boat I'd av thought, particularly one with an enclosed wheelhouse where temperature may vary quite alot.
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I forgot to add that given this seems top be about identifying areas along our coast which could be put aside for angling, would it not be a good idea to give presentations to sea anglrs first before going to ask permission from the old boys network of sea fisheries quango's. They are after all likely to charge us to fish them, it would be nice to be asked if we actually want them before they go cap in hand to said quango for permission.
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So Dr Paweson is going round giving presentations to groups such as the old boys club of sea fisheries quangos who sponsor commercial fishing, not forgetting that these same groups have shown in the past to be anti-angling and at the very best indifferent to sea angling and sea anglers, and hes going round trying to justify why Defra are spending thousands of our taxes on a hairy fairy scheme that will tell everyone what we already know, and having got the information, said government department will do didley squat for fear of upsetting someone.
Just were do I sign on for one of these jobs, I always thought it was illegal to print your own money.
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don’t forget that commercial fishermen have sat at that same highly prized table for years, achieving to have there industry decimated by at least 60% of what it was in the not to distance past, an achievement that many would have said would of never of come about had they not have ever had to sit at that same table.
Any commercial fishermen will tell you that sitting at the said table doesn’t mean that you’ll get anything like what you order, but it does mean that you do get served up unhealthy portions of bureaucracy on a regular basis.
A thought occurred to me challenge and I wonder what your outlook on it is?
You point out that by going to Brussels and sitting down 'at the table' fishermen and the fishing industry has been 'decimated by at least 60%', and if they hadn't sat down with these abhorrent people (scientists and politicians) then the fleet would be as it was 10 - 15 years ago.
Would we have seen by now the decimation of most commercial fish species, or would we have had a miraculous recovery, against all odds with the same level of fishing fleet we had then?
Do you think that the ongoing recovery of some cod stocks in the north sea since 2005 would have happened if the fleet size had not been cut?
Do you think that the fleet 'pre-decimation' couldd be sustained now even if the recovery exhibited in 2005 had not occurred?
And do you think the fleet would have survived unscathed if the recovery of 2005 had not occurred?
Given the acknowledgment of the SFO SWFPO and the NFFO that these cuts had to be made under the climate at that time, I wonder why you still think it was such a calamitous action to take?
And finally if the cut in the fleet you describe as; the industry being decimated and unhealthy bureaucracy was so bad for the industry and fish stocks, what would your solution have been?
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Hi H
QUOTE/ excellent role model exhibited by the commercial fishing sectors over the past 50 years
Yes, the commercial fishing sector has kept the whole COUNTRY feed with a fresh wholesome heathy food for alot more than 50 years and what do anglers do NOTHING except MOAN about commercial fishermen.
QUOTE/ Actually, was 'compromise' ever in "The Dictionary according to queen Elizabeth of Newlyn"??
HA HA HA HA HA
Are you still digging those envirolmentary unfriendly BAIT trenches H that practice should be BANNED everywhere, or are you just burying fan coral HA HA HA HA
Steve
Bit early to be on the peest isn't it Senior Gooood.
One wonders with the amount of UK fish exported by the commercial fishing industry when compared to the number of sea anglers and the vast amount of fish that they catch, thus stimulating the need for bag limits and licenses, who exactly has been feeding the nation all these years.Ryford
I find it quite funny that the commercial sector began to complain bitterly when anglers where invited to sit at the table all those years ago, then when anglers went on the offensive, the commercial sector complains that they are being attacked and in response anglers should be licenced, have bag limits, not be aloud to dig bait or use live baits, etc. etc. etc. There justification is to lump the anglers and greens together, simple fact is that many forms of fishing are outdated, enviromentally unfriendley and just not economically valid anymore.
I have a sympathy, during the miners strike we were under the same pressure, and ultimately lost, but ours, like the fishing sector, was a dying trade, no longer of great benefit to the country, cheaper options available and the least enviromentally friendley option. Times change, some people need to accept this and get on with making the best of what they are dealt.
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Should have left you there
That was witty, are you a comedian by any chance
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I have been a angler since I was 4 years old, caught hundreds of tons of bass in my life on rod and line, I am now 57.
Based on your blasé assumptions, and taking into account your penchent for bullshine, I guestimate that since you were 4 you have removed an average of 7 bass a day, every day.
To be perfectly honest I have asked the minister to put restrictions on anglers, they catch a few fish collectively and if anglers have a bag limit the saving of stock will enhance the fisheries for me and other commercial fishermen and anglers will be lucky to catch anything, at the moment we do NOTHING other than try to land as much as we can and have more restrictions placed on anglers so that we can fish on regardless of any consequence to the stocks.By the way, I do not really care what anglers catch and land and I like wurzel.
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Anglers and their REPS to get heard by the people in power have been slaging off commercials no end, and I do not like that, it must be said that was the wrong way to go about thingsBit stupid to start it in the first place then wasn't it
Now I intend to repay anglers with their own medicine, thats fair.I can't wait, Steve Gathergood determines UK and European Fisheries policy by himself, if you want to get off, give us a shout and we'll try and stop it spinning for a little while
Point is anglers slag off trawlers for damage to the seabed and eco-steyems and do nothing about aggregate dredging which does more harm to your sport than commercials, your case just does not hold water. Wow, and your case does I suppose, I hope your boat is more seaworthy than your case, maybe we'll just let you spin off into the distance I intend to take the goverment to task on aggregate dredging and the revenue they receive from that and their ability to implement the marine bill without bias for their financial interests.While your in there can you pop into the bank of England and adjust the rate of inflation, then jog along to the home office and put a stop to the wholesale immigration and while your at it, can you go to the treasury and do something about the delining house market in the SE.
The goverment must be laughing at the split between and anglers and commercials because between the the two they will achieve what they wont.Regardds
LOADS OF MONEY
Having read your recent posts or should we call them ramblings, I agree the goverment will be laughing.................. at you
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You see this puts me in an awkward position, one of these men is a good friend of my fathers and every time I jab at him it’s like I’m hurting my Dad to. My family have enough to worry about right now without my adding to it. But once things have straightened out a bit (if they ever do) I will be gunning for him who ever he is.
Well if thats how you are with your fathers friends, I bet he dont need no enemeys. It sounds to me like you have somnething personal against this friend of your dads, so perhaps you,d be better leaving your thoughts about this individual off an angling forum, unless you are used to washing your smalls in public. If your unable to substanciate your claims, then best not make them, as they make you look very childish (IMHO). By the way it doesnt stop you from naming others who you consider to be inept
There is no doubt that our fishery needs to be better managed and even less doubt it has been very badly miss-managed for around forty years. But there is some good fishing to be had still and its not quite as bad as most RSA rep would have us believe. And it really isn’t going to get any better in the hands of sea angling rep who know jack **** about sea angling or commercial fishing and who’s only skill is to snipe at commercial fishermen.I take it that you have personel experience of this 40 years of miss-managment I would like to here your thoughts on the miss-management that gave us the halcion days at Dungie during the late 60,s and 70,s. This great sea angling that we now have on the Kent and Essex coast (as you indicate), is this the same quality on the south coast and SW coasts and in and around Wales, and the NW etc. etc. etc.
I've been a member of this forum for many years, shall I dig out some of your previous comments about the commercial fishing industry and fishermen in general, or have you conveniantly forgot that, sniping could at best describe your comments in the loosest possible sense
Sea anglers came together like never before to show our government they didn’t want a RSA licence. Sea anglers didn’t ever do the same in regards to conservation. So that tells me most sea anglers don’t want to be represented by anyone when it comes to anything let alone be represented by RSA reps that know very little.Two words Bass Consultation That was about conservation and it recieved previoulsy unheard of support from the RSA's, or did you convenently forget about that.
Just one more thing boburaunti, if you are a strong believer in naming and shaming, then why not use your real name. That way the likes of me can’t bring you out of the shadows can we Mr PinbouroughOK not a problem, my names Robert Durauntti, you can call me Bob. Don't know who Mr Pinbourough is though
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Im not going to name and shame just yet, however I was talking to a rsa rep last week he told me he only fished once last year. Surely in order to reprosent sea anglers one has to be passionate about the sport and only fishing once per year hardly reprosents a passionate angler. Other rsa reps also lack the knowledge like water craft, fish movement and even a basic knowledge of how commercial fishermen in their area operate.
Sam that sounds a bit like my sisters, brothers, mates, daughters auntie told me that
Why can't you name and shame just yet, surely a man with your skills in all of the above could show these obvious retards just how to be an RS angler or commercial fisherman.
Nay, nay and thrice nay I say, name and shame them and let us all see just how difishent the sea angling RSA reps really are.
BD
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Can't possibly be true, those chaps from the Pew have been up to no good again Jaffa!!!!!
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SALTER RE-ELECTED AS CHAIR OF PARLIAMENTARY ANGLING GROUP
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