bobdurauntti

Really :lol: are you making plans for him ;) ;)

Yes, but after just 3 months into the job!!!! Its a bit harsh to collectively criticise a body that has 4 different sectors, all of which are used to working to their own specific agenda or principals, and then expect them to speak with four tongues, it will take time, if they are still making these mistakes 18 months down the line then I would accept that you have a case, but come on, do you go straight into front line firefighting after 3 months, do you not get training and a transitional period?? Why not afford these guys the same respect.

Perhaps the person from the angling Trust who was asked for a quote or commenting on the story was from the freshwater and coarse sector where catch and release is considered a standard practice, that is certainly my assumption, after all, the Angling trust is comprised of all sectors of the industry. There is nothing to suggest that this was a comment made solely by a member of the marine team, in fact the wording of the response indicates that it was not, my point before the usual howls of derision commenced was that it is understandable that someone not associated with sea angling i.e. a coarse rep may make a general comment or quote that fits the bill for their sectors, but not necessarily will ring wholly true for sea angling. To deride the marine team and AT in general for comments made by a single person is largely unfair.

So you knock your tench, carp, perch roach and chub on the head then Elton, and you would happily break rules on Sea trout and Salmon

Its all that Leon Roskilly's fault, he misrepresented Martin Salters importance to the Labour party

It'll be that bloody Leon Roskilly again :lol: :lol: If not some other miscreant misrepresentative misbehaving themselves :D :D

I'd still blame that darned Leon Roskilly, it has to be his fault, it usually is :lol:

You must be so pleased glennK

By the way are the NFSA still running or have they amalgamated into a super power yet?

If your giving out teaching and spelling lessons Steve, there's a few on here who are much more in need than me, although that doesn't fit in with your argument, which is not very strong if you have to resort to insults. While your taking your acid tablets you may as well take some chill pills, you'll end up with chronic indegestion taking your self so seriously. If Jaffa is Alex Salmond then that was one hell of a flukey guess, especially as I was not trying to 'out' anyone other than a tongue in cheek comment. Jesus H. the reason no-one comes on the conservation board is because a few of you have your shreddies stuck up where the sun dont shine, lighten up man, go fishing or something!!!! If you had taken time to read my original comment surely it must have struck you that it was tongue in cheek, of course I could have added a couple of smiley's but that would have been too obvious. Chill out Steve your beginning to sound paranoid. There we are one just for you. Just so you know like.

Wow, great come back Steve. Your supoose to take anti-acid tablets for an excess of bile, sounds like your just taking the acid tablets on their own. You are Alex Salmon and I claim my £5 recognition fee. :D

But we have my dear boy, we have. Its called the NFSA, and a bloody good job they are doing as well, keeping the lunatics at bay that is. Bd.

Blah Blah Blah Blah..... But your still going to tell us right..... I've got this, I've got that, I've done this & I've done that, from experience usually means you've done fook all and know even less Your evidence of this is where exactly? Right so you come on an SEA ANGLING forum call fook out of anglers in your first post and expect credibility. Genuine question' which wild stock populations are these then that have been significantly impacted by anglers' Funny I went down Newlyn market early the other morning and was amazed by all the anglers lined up selling their illegal fish, Elizabeth was beside herself, as where the merchants, all these anglers selling boxes of fish. The MFA officers didn't know what to do with themselves all this illegal fish being sold by illegal fishermen, driving the cost of fish down. One MFA officer I spoke to said its the same all over the country, no matter where you go, at every market in the land there's anglers selling boxes and boxes of illegal fish on the markets. Of course they are far too busy to put a stop to it chasing the odd commercial bounder. This 'pie in the sky' figure you seem so concerned about, if its wrong then it blows your argument out of the water, either they are a significant financial driver or they are not, your argument does not stand up to scrutiny, if you say the figure is wrong, then they cannot have an impact on UK fisheries. Strange, but I've read this thread over and over again, but can't find anywhere, were anyone (other than yourself above) states that all commercial fishermen land illegal fish. Are your experiences real or imagined, or do you normally just talk poop. Once again, something that only you talk about, your not doing very well so far are you, I'd get that chip seen to if I was you, it seems to be giving you a list. I've no idea, and neither have you, one thing is for certain, the survival rates are a damned sight greater than being dragged along the seabed in a 90mm to 120mm mesh net for up to 3 or 4 hrs hauled to the surface and then dumped back overboard because the fish is either too small, not the right size (there is a difference), not a targeted species, not the right kind of species, not worth landing or illegal to do so under the quota system. You are not in a position to preach to anglers over the ethics of capturing fish. Possibly, but as you haven't proved anything yet, I fail to see what I'm trying to disprove. I don't think anyone would deny anglers kill fish, and in the end quite a considerable number of fish will die, either for consumption or as a result of being caught. However, if you are saying anglers kill more fish than are killed by commercial fishing, then I reckon your living in cloud cuckoo land I will not waste my valuable time arguing with an irrational nutter.

Not that sharp are we, 19 ton of Dovers landed by your buddies flooding the market, and you can only blame anglers. Never mind sharpshooter, footshooter is more appropriate, its about time tools like you 'woke up and smelt the coffee', your ignorance and drivel insults genuine fishermen, and your pathetic attempts at ridiculing anglers shows you to be exactly that - pathetic. How someone with such a lack of understanding of fisheries and who obviously has such a low intelligence themselves can make assumptions and or castigate a third party as to their own level of intelligence is quite remarkable, did mummy write your reply for you. Now jog along and go and play with your toy boat. Are you a wannabe fisherman

If they suffer from condensation on an open Yak, they'd be even more susceptible on a boat I'd av thought, particularly one with an enclosed wheelhouse where temperature may vary quite alot.

I forgot to add that given this seems top be about identifying areas along our coast which could be put aside for angling, would it not be a good idea to give presentations to sea anglrs first before going to ask permission from the old boys network of sea fisheries quango's. They are after all likely to charge us to fish them, it would be nice to be asked if we actually want them before they go cap in hand to said quango for permission.

So Dr Paweson is going round giving presentations to groups such as the old boys club of sea fisheries quangos who sponsor commercial fishing, not forgetting that these same groups have shown in the past to be anti-angling and at the very best indifferent to sea angling and sea anglers, and hes going round trying to justify why Defra are spending thousands of our taxes on a hairy fairy scheme that will tell everyone what we already know, and having got the information, said government department will do didley squat for fear of upsetting someone. Just were do I sign on for one of these jobs, I always thought it was illegal to print your own money.

A thought occurred to me challenge and I wonder what your outlook on it is? You point out that by going to Brussels and sitting down 'at the table' fishermen and the fishing industry has been 'decimated by at least 60%', and if they hadn't sat down with these abhorrent people (scientists and politicians) then the fleet would be as it was 10 - 15 years ago. Would we have seen by now the decimation of most commercial fish species, or would we have had a miraculous recovery, against all odds with the same level of fishing fleet we had then? Do you think that the ongoing recovery of some cod stocks in the north sea since 2005 would have happened if the fleet size had not been cut? Do you think that the fleet 'pre-decimation' couldd be sustained now even if the recovery exhibited in 2005 had not occurred? And do you think the fleet would have survived unscathed if the recovery of 2005 had not occurred? Given the acknowledgment of the SFO SWFPO and the NFFO that these cuts had to be made under the climate at that time, I wonder why you still think it was such a calamitous action to take? And finally if the cut in the fleet you describe as; the industry being decimated and unhealthy bureaucracy was so bad for the industry and fish stocks, what would your solution have been?

Bit early to be on the peest isn't it Senior Gooood. I find it quite funny that the commercial sector began to complain bitterly when anglers where invited to sit at the table all those years ago, then when anglers went on the offensive, the commercial sector complains that they are being attacked and in response anglers should be licenced, have bag limits, not be aloud to dig bait or use live baits, etc. etc. etc. There justification is to lump the anglers and greens together, simple fact is that many forms of fishing are outdated, enviromentally unfriendley and just not economically valid anymore. I have a sympathy, during the miners strike we were under the same pressure, and ultimately lost, but ours, like the fishing sector, was a dying trade, no longer of great benefit to the country, cheaper options available and the least enviromentally friendley option. Times change, some people need to accept this and get on with making the best of what they are dealt.

That was witty, are you a comedian by any chance

Based on your blasé assumptions, and taking into account your penchent for bullshine, I guestimate that since you were 4 you have removed an average of 7 bass a day, every day. Edited for accuracy Bit stupid to start it in the first place then wasn't it I can't wait, Steve Gathergood determines UK and European Fisheries policy by himself, if you want to get off, give us a shout and we'll try and stop it spinning for a little while Wow, and your case does I suppose, I hope your boat is more seaworthy than your case, maybe we'll just let you spin off into the distance While your in there can you pop into the bank of England and adjust the rate of inflation, then jog along to the home office and put a stop to the wholesale immigration and while your at it, can you go to the treasury and do something about the delining house market in the SE. Having read your recent posts or should we call them ramblings, I agree the goverment will be laughing.................. at you

Well if thats how you are with your fathers friends, I bet he dont need no enemeys. It sounds to me like you have somnething personal against this friend of your dads, so perhaps you,d be better leaving your thoughts about this individual off an angling forum, unless you are used to washing your smalls in public. If your unable to substanciate your claims, then best not make them, as they make you look very childish (IMHO). By the way it doesnt stop you from naming others who you consider to be inept I take it that you have personel experience of this 40 years of miss-managment I would like to here your thoughts on the miss-management that gave us the halcion days at Dungie during the late 60,s and 70,s. This great sea angling that we now have on the Kent and Essex coast (as you indicate), is this the same quality on the south coast and SW coasts and in and around Wales, and the NW etc. etc. etc. I've been a member of this forum for many years, shall I dig out some of your previous comments about the commercial fishing industry and fishermen in general, or have you conveniantly forgot that, sniping could at best describe your comments in the loosest possible sense Two words Bass Consultation That was about conservation and it recieved previoulsy unheard of support from the RSA's, or did you convenently forget about that. OK not a problem, my names Robert Durauntti, you can call me Bob. Don't know who Mr Pinbourough is though

Sam that sounds a bit like my sisters, brothers, mates, daughters auntie told me that Why can't you name and shame just yet, surely a man with your skills in all of the above could show these obvious retards just how to be an RS angler or commercial fisherman. Nay, nay and thrice nay I say, name and shame them and let us all see just how difishent the sea angling RSA reps really are. BD

Can't possibly be true, those chaps from the Pew have been up to no good again Jaffa!!!!!

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