Stop HS2

Colour and flavour at the same time when using dried chickpeas from the supermarket, then as said boil in the same mixture.

I've been using chickpeas for years, as a previous post say's they will take on colouring and flavour very easily, I soak the dried varieties for 24 hours in the chosen flavour and colouring then boil till their soft, but not soft enough to crumble when you push a baiting neddle through. I have found that Strawberry flavoured Nesquick works well as a flavour and colour, it's not to overpowering and very subtle, the only negatives are you will get bothered by the tench and bream once they find them.

One might say the same about your posts on HS2, mostly rehashed HS2 blurb but thats OK I suppose if you've got an MSc to brag about.

Something on a lighter note.

Funny you should say that, a few years ago now the Notting Hill Housing Association applied for planning permission to use some of the land that was created by a redundant local school which was demolished and partly developed by a private company, the nimby's as you like to call them got up a petition trying to stop the social housing part of the development, I'm proud to say that I was one of the few that refused to sign, your predudice and bigotry have at last surfaced, Stratford and Bow along with most of the East End has alway's been an area attractive to immigrants for over a 100 years, I should know, thats where half of my family hails from, the other half comes from Nth Kensington, Willesden and Stonebridge NW10, got any opinions on those areas to you'd like to share? Oh, and by the way thanks for the personal insult. Barry, your last post really says a lot about you, something not very nice, I won't stoop to your level by saying.

Barry, I would never be so impolite, perhaps you misunderstood my attempt at sarcasm. As said previously, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, you and Andy have your's and I mine, nothing is meant personally I assure you. Ah yes, the Olympics site, thats the one where most of the jobs on the site (unskilled and semi skilled) were promised to employ mainly local people who lived in the Bow and Stratford area, and that the resulting building boom would benefit the same in jobs and affordable housing before, during and after the event, sadly I think you'll find that none of that has occured.

Hello Barry & Andy, it's Stopo, you have been busy in the last few days. Firstly, the nit picking over if the viaduct goes through or over the lakes and how badly they will be affected? It will pass over or through the middle of Pit2, it will go over or through part of Savay, it will go over or through near enough the middle of Korda and pass very close to several other well known Colne Valley lakes and the Long Pond will probably be filled in. I take it that you can both read maps? Look at the map supplied by HS2 on the link provided. http://highspeedrail.dft.gov.uk/library/maps/map-5 Looked? Good, no arguement or splitting hairs there then!! As I said in an earlier post, the logistics involved and the amount of destruction caused by the plant required for a project of this magnitude are massive and will take years to build and even longer for the area to recover, if ever, the peace and quiet will never return, not with trains thundering across every four minutes at up to 200 mph with a noise approaching a 100 DB. The disruption to the area over several years during construction dosen't bear thinking about One of you mentioned that I should worry about SSSI's and homes, I am, there are several SSSI's within the valley, HS2 is due to smash through at least one as well as more further up the line, see link. http://www.hertswildlifetrust.org.uk/Wildlife/High+Speed+2 Of the four lakes within the SSSI, Broadwater Lake is by far the biggest at around 80 hectares and is one of the largest expanses of open water in the Colne Valley. It supports a number of wooded islands. The other lakes are Harefield Moor, Korda Lake and the Long Pond. The nature reserve includes Korda, Long Pond, the River Colne and the western side of Broadwater Lake. Around the pits are remnants of the original alluvial grasslands and valley alderwoods. These grade into beech and hornbeam woodland and mixed scrub on the western slopes. The Mid-Colne Valley SSSI has considerable ornithological importance, particularly for the diversity of breeding wetland birds and for the numbers of wintering waterbirds. The principal area of interest is Broadwater Lake which supports nationally important numbers of both wintering and summer moulting waterbirds. The smaller Korda Lake, Long Pond and River Colne all provide an important supporting role to the main lake. Wintering birds include Great Crested Grebe, Cormorant, Gadwall, Shoveler, Tufted Duck, Pochard, Wigeon, Teal, Goldeneye, Smew, Ruddy Duck and Coot. The first five species have been present above the level of national importance in recent years, while Gadwall have also exceeded the level of international significance. Breeding birds include Coot, Greylag Goose, Little Ringed Plover, Kingfisher, Mute Swan, Grey Heron, Egyptian Goose and Tufted Duck. Gadwall and Shoveler occasionally breed. A colony of Cormorants has also become established on the islands of Broadwater Lake. The lake also supports nationally important moult gatherings of Tufted Duck. Over 500 were recorded in the summer of 1990 but counts in recent years have been lower. Since excavation there has been a natural colonisation by typical wetland plants and animals. The River Colne is the most natural feature of the site. It still retains a meandering channel in parts with some pools and riffles. The banks of the gravel pits, although of relatively recent origin, support a variety of willows and fen plants such as Water-plantain, Yellow Iris and Gipsywort. In sheltered areas, where the banks are gently shelving, more extensive stands of tall swamp vegetation occur, comprising mainly Common Reed and Reedmace. The River Colne is known to be important for bats, with large numbers of Daubentons feeding along the river, the wildlife is not restricted to the conservation areas, there are large colonies of Slowworms and Grass Snakes on the existing railway embankment and other parts of the proposed route. The viaduct will also pass close to the large South Harefield housing estate and Harfield Marina, many of the 100 or so boats are residential, the small hamlet of West Hyde will be affected, their peace and quite during construction and opperation will be gone. You also talked about the success of HS1. Is that the same HS1 that went over budget, bust and had to be bailed out by the government and hasn't lived up to it's predicted traffic levels? The same HS1 that was flogged off at a tremendous loss to the British tax payer? The facts you keep mentioning are produced by either the government or HS2, you seem to think that their some sort of Ten Commandments written in stone by god, I treat anything written by goverments when their trying to flog me something as a good idea with a huge pinch of salt and scepticism, they will only tell you what they think you want to hear. At present the budget for this waste of money has been quoted at anything between £17.5 - £30 billion, what's to say this project won't go over that? The new Wembley stadium went hugely over budget, so did the Olympics 2012 site, also the Dome and HS1. The general disruption caused to West London and the A40 corridoor into and out London will be monumental and cause more problems to business and transport than it's worth, it's taken the Chiltern line over a year to build and install one new bridge at the entrance to the West Waste site at South Ruislip, how much longer and how much delay and cost to business will be caused through road closures whilst constructing many bridges along the proposed route into and out of London including the imfamous A40-A406 Gyratory junction? All that Iv'e written about will not only happen in the Colne Valley and the route out of London but many times over along the proposed 120 mile route, and more if it's ever going to get any further than Birmingham. Still think it's worth it? Don't bother answering, I already know the answer. Sorry fella's but there's no way your going to convince me (and many, many others) that this idea is valid on business, green or value for money issues and that's a FACT.

http://stophs2.org/news/2044-mk-wolverhampton

http://stophs2.org/news/2044-mk-wolverhampton

They do but most European countries are much bigger that the UK and more sparesly populated, especially France. Barry, I'd love to stay and chat all night but Iv'e got a mountain of fishing club committee work to crack through and a meeting tomorrow night, laters fella.

Again, great idea except the lines are not going to join up, not for a very long time anyway, so you'll still have to change trains, not only trains, but travel between different stations in London to continue your journey, only a British government could come up with an idea like that, a bit like the rail lines, not joined up.

I take it your not a fan Barry, I'm going to have a rant at them to this evening, mind you I won't hold my breath waiting for a reply, again we might have something else in common, we'll have to stop agreeing, people will talk mate......

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Captian, you said it, "There all state owned" almost certainly very heavily sibsidised by the national government or the EU, ours won't.

Theres a whole new debate there Barry, I think we would probably have some views in common there , but thats for another time.

Barry, sorry it takes so long to reply but as a new member my utterings are still being submitted to a moderator before their posted. I'm not going anywhere fast, just like HS2 hopefully and will continue to contibute to this great forum for a long time yet. Cheers.

Barry, please open the link, this visualisation of the viaduct crossing the Colne Valley has been produced by HS2, not as Andy says by somebody with a basic understanding of Photoshop, the main lake affected is one of my clubs waters (Pit 2). It will also cross Savay, Korda and totally remove Long Pond and pass very, very close to Harefield, Broadwater lakes and several others. http://www.uxbridgegazette.co.uk/west-lond...13046-28472469/ We have a civil engineering consultant who has worked all over the world on projects such as this as a member of our club, he has said that the logistics and land required for a project like this during construction are massive and will have very detrimental and probably permanent effect on the valley's future peace and quite. It's not only the fishing clubs and societies that will be affected, in the picture, just where the viaduct steps off across theres an outdoor activity centre (HOAC). this is a charitable trust and has taken 40 years to get where it is now, it is possibly the finest centre of it's type within the M25 with schools and youth groups using it from all over the greater London region. HS2 will go right through the middle of it. http://www.hoac.net/index.php?option=com_f...ge&Itemid=1 http://www.colnevalleypark.org.uk/ Blighted housing; a very close friend lives within 300 metres of the proposed route, three years ago he had a £70,000 extension built on his house, he recently asked several local estate agents what the propery was worth before the HS2 plans were announced and it's value now, he may have well just given the £70,000 pounds to charity because the value of his propery is now considerably less than it was before he had the work done, this house was part of his pension plan when he eventually retired and downsized when he moved away. He has made enquiries about compensation and was told he may not qualify and even if he did the ammount offered would not be anywhere near the true market value. Barry, you my friend may be able to take a financial hit of that order but most of us ordinary people can't!!! This area, Ruislip, has come through the recent property slump pretty well with house prices remaining stable, the reason is it's a great place to live, great schools, pleasant leafy parks and quiet, good road and rail links with three LUL lines, the Chiltern line and only short drives to get to the M1, M4, M25, A40 and Heathrow. Since HS2 was announced property sales have slowed and places near the proposed line are severly affected. Other leisure facilities will be destroyed, the Ruislip golf centre and course will be taken, Ruislip rifle club, Ruislip Rugby club will loose pitches, at least one pub will be demolised and maybe some of the shops nearby. Local schools adjacent to the line will be disrupted, an old peoples home demolished as well as many homes that back on to the existing Chiltern and LUL Central line. West Waste, the waste transfer station for four London boroughs lies directly in the path of HS2, several car body and vehicle workshops lay in it's way along with a fairly large well known hotel, the local Sainsbury's may well have to go. All these places I've mentioned employ local residents and others from surrounding areas. Evidence of disruption; it dosen't take a lot of imagination to visualise the chaos that will be caused for many years in West London, new bridges will be requred at all the approach roads leading to the A40, these include new bridges at the imfamous A40-A406 gyratory junction. Recently the Chiltern line has been undergoing modernisation with many of the bridge, requiring strenghening to carry the new faster trains that the line will be soon operating, trains that actually run into Birmingham city centre, not somewhere nearby. This work has and will cause mayhem for years as well as causing disruption to the LUL Central line and Chiltern line. All I have talked about here is whats going to happen in my area, multiply that dozens of times long the 120 mile route and it's a cost not only in financial and business terms but in the destruction peoples wellbeing, homes and countryside that is just to high.

Barry, pretty much all the evidence is now out there, I guess we'll have to leave the great british public to read it and make up their own minds, this thread has over 1400 veiws and yet there has only been two people who have objected and made a half decent argument against the Anti HS2 campaign through this page, there maybe more who share your veiws but their quiet speaks volumes to me. Anyway, tight lines fella.

The evidence mounts................ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/roa...ay-critics.html

http://www.uxbridgegazette.co.uk/west-lond...13046-28513831/

This says it all. I make no excuse for copying this article by Andrea Leadsom MP. At a feisty debate in Parliament last week there was universal agreement about the need to improve Britain’s transport infrastructure! But that’s where the consensus ends - and I for one am sick and tired of the debate on High Speed Rail being trivialised into a debate on Southern Nimbys versus the poverty stricken North. The debate should be about how best to deliver badly needed infrastructure and ensure a re-balancing of our economy with a private sector led recovery across the UK. HS2 would cost each family in Britain more than £1,000, so it must be properly scrutinised to deliver not just extra capacity, but also the value for money that taxpayers are entitled to expect for their money. I think HS2 is flawed in three main areas; the business case, the environmental case and the claims about job creation and the potential for regeneration. HS2 Ltd claims a net benefit ratio that includes the wider economic impacts of 2.0 - this means £2 of benefit for every £1 spent. This is about the minimum return that could be expected from a rail project and far below the bar set for road projects. Even this modest claim makes enormous assumptions. Specifically, a core and ludicrous assumption is that all time on train journeys is wasted, and therefore that every minute of a train journey that is saved can be given a value in pounds. This wouldn’t matter so much except that the journey time savings account for over 50% of the £20 billion of total economic benefit expected from the project! Passenger forecasts are another major assumption within the business case, relying on a 216% rise in demand for train travel. The Department for Transport’s own National Travel Survey shows that overall transport demand is no longer growing with GDP. Eurostar’s passenger numbers in 2009 only reached around a third of the level forecast at the time of building the HS1 link. The Department for Transport appeared before the Public Accounts Committee over HS1, and assured them that lessons had been learned and any future major project would factor in more severe downside assumptions... In cash terms HS2 will never pay for itself. Once built only a third of the total claimed benefits will be captured through fares. The value of the net revenues once it has been built, forecast to be fares of £14 billion less operating costs of £6 billion over a 60 year project life, will cover less than half of the capital costs. Between 2009 and 2015, the DfT expects to have spent around £1 billion just on preparing the way for High Speed Rail. At a time when families up and down the country are feeling the pinch infrastructure projects must, now more than ever, offer value for money. Second, the environmental impact: HS2 Ltd themselves say that this project is at best, carbon neutral. They predict that 65% of passengers will either transfer from existing rail services, where faster trains inevitably increase carbon emissions, or are additional ‘new’ journeys as a result of the faster trains, which also increases emissions. The shorter journeys by air that will transfer to HS2 will ironically provide more capacity at our regional airports for cheaper long haul flights. It is estimated that the modal shift from car to high speed train will be 7%. HS2 Ltd’s own forecast is that M1 traffic volumes will only reduce by 2% as a result of HS2. There will also be a significant environmental impact during construction, as well as to the English countryside, wildlife and historic sites. I won’t go into this in detail here, but the impact on communities and countryside is hugely damaging. Third, the prospects for job creation and regeneration. The Department for Transport forecasts that HS2 will create 30,000 new jobs. 9,000 will be construction jobs and likely to be temporary. The rest are expected to be skewed towards property development and retail near to stations. Up to 70% of these jobs will benefit London, where Old Oak Common is believed to be the best location for regeneration. Research done into capital expenditure in the wider economy suggests that the cost to create one job in the first phase is around 4 times what experience elsewhere would predict... HS1’s experience has not yet delivered the predicted regeneration of towns like Ashford. In fact, traditional commuter trains are now in some cases slower and more packed than ever while the expensive HS1 thunders by half empty. I think that there is a viable alternative to HS2 – I have urged the Government to carry out an independent evaluation of Rail Package 2. RP2 claims to provide 135% extra capacity extendable to 176% and a significant advantage of it is that it can be introduced incrementally as passenger demand increases. RP2 would require lengthening all Pendolino trains to 11 cars from the current mix of 9 and 11 cars, replacing some commuter trains with 125mph stock so as not to delay faster trains, dealing with bottlenecks at seven specific points along the line, adding platforms at Euston and Manchester and considering laying more track into Birmingham. RP2 claims a benefit cost ratio of 1.9 (versus 1.6 for HS2 London to West Midlands excluding the ‘wider economic impacts’). It can be delivered far quicker than HS2, dealing with the problem of over-crowding now rather than leaving the commuters of Manchester, Birmingham, Rugby and Milton Keynes to wait for relief until 2026. The danger of overestimating demand is also removed. RP2 can be implemented incrementally; it’s not all or nothing, problems can be dealt with as they arise. It is of course, around half the cost of the first phase of HS2! Supporters of HS2 should stop passing off opposition as NIMBYISM. There are legitimate questions about value for money and many organisations are now questioning the business case including the TaxPayer’s Alliance, the Adam Smith Institute, the Institute of Economic Affairs, Friends of the Earth, the Sustainable Development Commission, rail experts and the Countryside Alliance. We must have a robust debate on High Speed Rail. Taxpayers should not be picking up the tab for a project with an uncertain outcome until all legitimate questions and concerns have been properly addressed. Andy, can you tell what part of this viaduct dose not go through the middle of the lakes in the Valley? Oh, and also the picture looks pretty much the same as the one in the Korda article to me but then again I haven't got your knowlege of Photoshop. http://www.uxbridgegazette.co.uk/west-lond...13046-28472469/

Barry, I could say the same about the governments BS in the BBC links.

http://stophs2.org/news/1556-green-party-votes-oppose-hs2

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Anglers-Agai...5499356?sk=wall

Your choice fella, the artical was in a Korda publication, I don't think they have anything do do with sponsoring the place, besides its not just about Savay, the whole of the Colne valley will be ruined if this plan goes through, my clubs waters and others in the valley aren't populated with "alien" fish as you call them, as I said it's your choice and your entitled to your opinion but I would urge you to think again.