AndyMc

Stopo Thats so funny. I thought for a moment that you actually knew what you were talking about until i quickly realised that you've simply just cut and copied the SSSI Citation. trust me to notice ... with MSc Ecology background! Te he. http://www.english-nature.org.uk/citation/...oto/1003469.pdf

Barry, onto the topic. Yes, there will be a chnage at the lake. But Christ I am happy to fish a lot worse than that. it is clear that it goes ACROSS (that is the first thing ...not through) only PART (i.e. not straight though) of the lake. I am yet to understand how it goes through the other lakes that Stoppo says? Will it impact on the fish? I 100% doubt it!

Yes, Barry it is exactly what I stated in my very first email on this site. The impacts stated by the "Stop HS2 Save Savay" are far far from the truth. However, this approach falls nicely in-line with most of the other stuff that comes from the wider stop HS2 lobby groups ...much of what they say is far from the truth. This is how these groups try to drum up their support to satisfy their own ends. Lol By giving out the wrong information, making wild claims on potential impacts, THEY are actually causing the blight and untold concern to local people. Fun though ..isn't it? Te he! Tight lines and bendy rods. A

Stoppo regarding the hs2 provided photo visualisation of the viaduct. can you describe your comment about the "viaduct going smack through the middle of Pit2, Harefield. (Harrow AS) cross the Grand Union, then straight through Savay Lake". Savay Lake is the second lake the viaduct goes over from the bottom of the image moving upwards. The viaduct clearly goes over the top section of the lake rather through the middle ...as i have already said

Fact sheet at: http://highspeedrail.dft.gov.uk/sites/high...am-amersham.pdf

Stoppo The actual details of the proposal relating to Savay Lake are on the HS2 website. The site contains FACT SHEETS relating to each section of the route. Again, the 75 m wide viaduct you might prefer to see at the location, which proportions would have a dramatic impact on the lake, is clearly not what HS2 plan to do. I prefer HS2's options. The focus on your attention at this location should raise above the scenario for the lake but be concerned with the local homes, the SSSI and the AONB. It is these issues that the engineers are trying to work around.

Hey Stoppo Looks like the Nimby rail package 2 (RP2) alternative is again in the firing line. Critics of RP2 are stating that the under estimated costs of undertaking this scheme are - which have now doubled - make hs2 appear even better value than previously believed. The West Coast Main Line was upgraded at a cost of £8.9bn (or £9.6bn depending upon exactly which work you include in the project) between 1998 and 2009. When completed it was four years late and three times over the original £2.8bn budget. This is one of the most important factors driving the decision to invest in HS2. Some HS2 opponents claim a further £3.6bn could be spent on a series of flyovers and bypasses (including a 21 km cut-off through open country in Staffordshire ironically) but these studies focus only on the impact on inter-city trains, but do not examine the severe capacity concerns over commuter services into Euston, Birmingham and Manchester. Obviously any further upgrade of WCML would entail huge disruption to rail services (especially at weekends) and runs the risk of the kind of overspend witnessed last time. Serious doubts also must be expressed about exactly how many trains per hour can be squeezed along a railway at 125 mile/h when that railway dates from the 1840s; to match HS2 capacity, inter-city trains would run at 3 min headways, something even the more reliable Tube lines often struggles to match. RP2 - ANOTHER DEAD WHITE ELEPHANT

Renowned transport expert, Professor Begg, fully backs hs2 proposals in a report launched by the british Chambers of Commerce: "Our ability to move goods and services around the country and doing business online, is crucial to our economic vitality, particularly in stimulating regional economies". The Chairman of the Chamber said "Cities in the North West are desperate for it to reach their area because they know high speed rail will have a major impact on helping to break down regional divides and bring our country together". Info on the strong business case for HS2 here: http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/674...e-for-hs2.thtml

i'm not sure i can put a lot of weight to what that lots says anymore. It certainly is fun though: http://www.derbyrailforum.org.uk/cms/187/

I wouldn't say it was recent. But it certainly is the result of major extraction and major damage to this area. It must have been a right eye sore at the time of working. Its funny that most of the lakes we all fish are the result of some previous damage. It wouldn't suprise me if the construction of HS2 results in the creation some fishing havens for the future too.

Nice one mate. SAY YES TO HS2

Spot on. And that's only part of it my dear friend. Read on: "Chamber backs Core City support for HS2 Consultation Nottingham is one of 11 of the UK's most economically-important cities to come out in strong support of High Speed Two, the first phase of developing a High Speed Rail network for the UK. The collective view is that there is significant evidence that HSR will create jobs, economic growth and reduce carbon emissions in the long term. Nottingham has joined England's other Core Cities (Birmingham, Bristol, Liverpool, Leeds, Manchester, Newcastle and Sheffield), together with Cardiff, Edinburgh and Glasgow in releasing a joint position statement signed by the Leaders of the 11 city authorities and senior business figures, setting out the economic and environmental case for a full High Speed Rail network for the UK. Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire Chamber of Commerce Chief Executive George Cowcher signed the document on behalf of the private sector in Nottingham. The 11 cities believe HS2 is a cross-party agenda and are calling for national and local support from communities and businesses. The first phase runs between London Euston and the West Midlands, but the view of the core cities is that the country will only reap the economic and environmental benefits of HSR if the full proposed national network is developed. The Chamber estimates that an East Midlands spur of the High Speed Rail network could bring economic benefits of more than £3.8n to the region. Meanwhile, Chamber research has found that 97% of local businesses think the local economy would benefit from plans to bring the network to the region, while 88% of firms are in favour of a UK-wide High-Speed Rail network. Mr Cowcher said: "The Chamber has long campaigned for a comprehensive High-Speed Rail network which services the East Midlands and is delighted to add its full support to this new Core Cities statement. "Clearly, we need good transport links here in the region and the Chamber feels that High Speed Rail will be the best way of connecting businesses in Nottinghamshire with London, other key UK cities and Europe". Talk about not seeing the wood for the trees. Im not sure what planet these 'no to HS2' NIMBYS are on.

Looks like Milton keynes ...neighbouring county to Buckinghamshire ... is now also fully supporting proposals. That's a kick in the teeth for the load minority in Bucks. Perhaps common sense will win through in the end. Read on: Published on Wednesday 13 April 2011 16:41 PROTESTORS with placards and signs descended on Milton Keynes Central station on Friday to oppose plans for the High Speed Rail Link HS2. The protest was organised by the South Northants Action Group with the aim of warning commuters of the negative aspects of having a new high speed rail link between London and Birmingham. They feel that putting in the extra high speed platforms would mean rebuilding Euston, moving all the platforms round and changing the configuration of the tracks outside the station. They also feel that there will be fewer long distance trains from the city and no high speed rail station in Milton Keynes either. But city MPs claim commuters are set to benefit from the new high speed link between London and Birmingham. And research has shown that the new high speed rail line could nearly double the number of trains from the city to London – which is welcome news for commuters. Network Rail has projected that the West Coast Main Line will reach full capacity by 2024 and the first phase of HS2, from London to the West Midlands, would free up space for a significant increase in commuter, regional and freight services. MP for Milton Keynes North, Mark Lancaster, said: “This research is fantastic news for the commuters of Milton Keynes, who literally cannot stand having to stand for their journey to work every single day, while paying thousands of pounds for the privilege. “It is great to see the figures reinforcing what we have been told about HS2. It’s about time Milton Keynes got a better deal but equally the route itself needs to be the right one for the country.” Transport secretary Philip Hammond singled out Milton Keynes as the ultimate beneficiary of such a scheme. He said: “Our proposed new high speed rail network would free up a huge amount of space on current railways for more trains to operate. “Passengers in some towns like Milton Keynes could see a near doubling in the number of trains from their station to London because of HS2.”

Great news and a great link. An even louder voice supporting moves to using high speed rail.

And so far we british have only about 72 miles of it. Hardly a snip compared to most other countries. We have a lot of catching up to do. I hear that Australia are making plans to create further high speed train lines as they see the sense in investing in alternative means of travel for the future. KOALA TEA!