KANNY

monkey boy that point has been made about hunting if it wasnt for hunting over the years we wouldnt have half the wild life habitats we have today and its true..........it doesnt seem to have worked for hunting..think on! y.i.s kanny [ 14. March 2003, 09:03 PM: Message edited by: KANNY ]

why not have your nearest mink pack hunt that stretch its cheep and enviromently freindly! and effective y.i.s kanny [ 14. March 2003, 05:46 PM: Message edited by: KANNY ]

for perch chub or trout i swear by the abu droppen lures (though hard to get hold of now) use ultra lite tackle 3 lb line(for perch)look for fry scattering and you will find your perch failing that feeder stream mouths are allways a good place to start. good luck y.i.s kanny

i think alot anglers see the C.A and they automaticly think fox hunting but the C.A and others arnt just about fox hunting ...yes its there main agenda at the moment but what they promote is life style and are fighting to ensure that we all have a choice of life style this includes the right to hunt.......Angling in its own nature is hunting like it or not! i think allthough you might not agree with some forms of hunting it is only right you respect the veiws of your fellow hunter and try not to undermine his sport with anti properganda(why use a gun on sombody that you know one day is going to be turned on you?) if you have a fact based opinion then by all means put it foward but the minute you start using terms like baiting and torture then you are out of line this is anti termonolgy!.peter yes in my search for the anti sites i allso found a fair few pro angling sites this is what was ment by DO SOMTHING! i was very releved to see this.now these small groups are great at local level but are not enough to show force by numbers on there own as you say you have the NAA who seem to be talking with the C.A this is the right thing to do IMO.i get the impression from sum of you that when the fight does come you think its going to be a fair one and your sport will defend its self well this would be fatal to angling never underestimate just how low your opponents will go! y.i.s kanny [ 13. March 2003, 06:43 PM: Message edited by: KANNY ]

thats a very fair post peter......well done! im not saying you should all join the C.A But at least DO SOMTHING! ......... if its a numbers game then u will have to give the C.A serious consideration y.i.s kanny me extreme??.......lol [ 13. March 2003, 12:33 AM: Message edited by: KANNY ]

http://www.pisces.demon.co.uk/factshee.html http://www.pisces.demon.co.uk/listing.html#scientific http://www.countryside-alliance.org/news/0.../010124anti.htm http://www.excite.co.uk/directory/Society/..._Rights/Fishing http://www.lcsa.org.uk/fishing.html i could go on and on graham .........get your head out the sand ........ theres a bridge needs crossing. y.i.s kanny

hjuguiguy7iovguihnhysfuicnvbgyuuioOPaA|KOtydrtsdw346tyiuiou................thats my head banging on the key board!.............lol graham the FACT is that allthough SOME of those documents are 11 years old? as you say... there still there for every reble WITHOUT a cause to read and act upon. graham u said if fishing was like that u would pack it in..well i suugest you hang up your rods mate because its obvious fishing doesnt suit your beleifs. y.i.s kanny [ 12. March 2003, 07:46 AM: Message edited by: KANNY ]

your gunna love this one..lol! http://www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/paulbroad...d/anti/anti.htm y.i.s kanny

looks like the N.A.A dont agree with you graham and peter.......... they seem pritty happy to stand with the C.A http://www.maggotdrowning.com/Press/pressr...el23_270801.htm Y.I.S kanny [ 11. March 2003, 08:58 PM: Message edited by: KANNY ]

this is off the hunt sab website http://hsa.enviroweb.org/tactics/sabfish.html so is this http://hsa.enviroweb.org/features/angling.html graham you forgot to quote my last remark about that post sounding hard but is nothing compared to what the antis will say and by the looks of the above links much worse. y.i.s kanny [ 11. March 2003, 06:19 PM: Message edited by: KANNY ]

peter i think you have got me wrong i nothing wrong with people having a diffrent look on things it makes it intresting.........but what i highly object to is the use of anti propaganda and mistruths about hunting which you and others have used. y.i.s kanny http://www.masskilling.com/exhibit.html [ 10. March 2003, 11:49 PM: Message edited by: KANNY ]

these are the kind of people you are dealing with! http://www.masskilling.com/exhibit.html y.i.s kanny

thats it lee u got it...........alltough its clear there are difrences between hunter and angler we have one thing in common we both have the same enemy. y.i.s kanny

graham seems as you have taken it on yourself to answer my question then i direct this post at you quote graham x Any ordinary angler must ask himself “Do I want people who have views like this to represent me and my sport? Do I want to ally myself and the sport I love with such people and their views?” well graham im sure that most true anglers are glad that they have people defending countryside pursuits angling included rather than people who are just willing to sit on there arses and do nothing.once its gone its to late. quote graham x Coarse fishing does not involve the pursuit of a live animal, which is put under the most stressful condition there is: that of literally “running for its life so you dont go in persuit of your fish graham? what do they do just jump in your net? and talking about keep nets wouldent you say that this pratice is most stressful to the fish? andthe running for its life comment so your saying that when a carp runs it is not running for its life? what it knows its just FUN? quote graham x At the end of this process, the animal is often ripped to pieces by the hounds before a huntsman can “humanely” kill it. And even if in every single case, the fox was killed quickly, the torture it must go through in the preceding hours of the actual hunt could only be imagined by someone who has been in the same situation: running for one’s life, knowing that if you get caught, you’re going to get ripped up and shot dead, purely to satisfy some people's "pleasure". Think about it. This is NOT a “humane” process. graham you obviously have never been on a hunt 99% of the time the kill is instant fox hounds are real pro's and know there bizz and as for the hours of the hunt the fox is only under stress once the pack are on its arse at the end of the hunt abit like a hooked fish i would say!and ive stated b4 fox hunting is pest control the plesure eliment comes from keeping and training horses and dogs and not the deed of killing unlike coarse fishing that is purly a pleasure based activity quote graham x if fox is a pest, there are other ways of dealing with it, i follow some foot fell packs and this is the only way of controling foxes on the fells quote graham x And to answer (again!) the "point" that we as anglers should be supporting the CA, because if we don't, we'll be next, well..IF this happens, and it's a big "IF", then I'll cross that bridge if and when it comes to it. It is NOT a valid reason for any moderate to support an extremist group and their viewpoint. There is no IF about it graham the wheels are allready in motion go look at the anti sites. and last but not least you didnt answer the most important question graham just how are you going to justify coarse fishing? i know this may seem im coming across hard but this is nothing to what your gunna face once the unwashed turn there glare on fishing. y.i.s kanny

in other words peter you have no clever written answers for my post and as for removing my quotes then NO WAY! i like your last post peter because it was short and said nothing insted of your usual full page that says nothing just blah blah blah!you are a small minded bigot peter ive met hundreds just like you you think you know what your talking about but your posts suggest you know nothing. i have very serious doubts about your REAL agenda in this thred.you will be correct in saying that i am firstly a hunter and secondly a fisherman but to me they are both part of the same deal.i come from a large mainly fishing family having had 2 uncles national champions and my brother was school boy national champion i myself am a ver keen lure angler we allso own and run a bait farm.i didnt come here to cause trouble nor to force my points if i get banned for what i say so be it.but what i say IS FACT! unlike your pages of dribble and theroy's its your head i see standing on your high horse nobody elses. y.i.s kanny