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Ide are also known as Orfe. Same fish - Leuciscus idus.
Never caught one - though there are meant to be a few in the Kennet....
Chris
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Same thing happened to me 2 weekends ago - A bloke was fishing the Kennet with his 2 teenage sons (On a club stretch too). I politely pointed out it was the close season and was met with "we know, now @^&! off".
"Fine, but I shall be ringing the EA when I get home" say I (from a distance and with a clear escape route planned!!)
Half an hour later when I returned along the opposite bank they had packed up and gone.
Chris
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Same thing happened to me 2 weekends ago - A bloke was fishing the Kennet with his 2 teenage sons (On a club stretch too). I politely pointed out it was the close season and was met with "we know, now @^&! off".
"Fine, but I shall be ringing the EA when I get home" say I (from a distance and with a clear escape route planned!!)
Half an hour later when I returned along the opposite bank they had packed up and gone.
Chris
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Spindle/Peter,
Big dace are still worthy quarry in 'my book' and catching them has been elbowing in on my grayling fishing these past 2 or 3 winters. I thought I'd cracked it too with a couple of pounders and a dozen or so just under from the U Kennet in the last 3 years. Reading about DF though and I realise I've still got a loooong way to go!
Has certainly whetted the appetite for next February!!
Chris
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Spindle/Peter,
Big dace are still worthy quarry in 'my book' and catching them has been elbowing in on my grayling fishing these past 2 or 3 winters. I thought I'd cracked it too with a couple of pounders and a dozen or so just under from the U Kennet in the last 3 years. Reading about DF though and I realise I've still got a loooong way to go!
Has certainly whetted the appetite for next February!!
Chris
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Gray, I think we've seen this poster on BFW...Gray-Catchpole:sevinpies mmmm new poster, yet your member 669 mmmmm interesting.
As for the site I like it, informative, easy to navigate & I think it's pretty good of them to make the boards open to be viewed by all even if you need to be a member to post (which I'm not).
Chris
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Gray, I think we've seen this poster on BFW...Gray-Catchpole:sevinpies mmmm new poster, yet your member 669 mmmmm interesting.
As for the site I like it, informative, easy to navigate & I think it's pretty good of them to make the boards open to be viewed by all even if you need to be a member to post (which I'm not).
Chris
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Like Gray - I've been thumbing through my latest edition of Waterlog. They've got a feature on Dennis Flack - rightly called The Dace Man having spent a goodly portion of his angling career trying to get a British Record.
His career total of 1lb+ fish is 98 and he's come with-in 6 drams of the British Record of 1lb 4oz 8dr on a day when he had 2 fish over 1lb 4oz. The article has a picture accompanying the piece which shows a net of 12, 1lbers all caught from the same swim in one session. AWESOME!
Chris
[ 22 April 2002, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: Chris Plumb ]
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Like Gray - I've been thumbing through my latest edition of Waterlog. They've got a feature on Dennis Flack - rightly called The Dace Man having spent a goodly portion of his angling career trying to get a British Record.
His career total of 1lb+ fish is 98 and he's come with-in 6 drams of the British Record of 1lb 4oz 8dr on a day when he had 2 fish over 1lb 4oz. The article has a picture accompanying the piece which shows a net of 12, 1lbers all caught from the same swim in one session. AWESOME!
Chris
[ 22 April 2002, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: Chris Plumb ]
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quote:Originally posted by Vagabond:[QBYes - didn't mention that
- cos I proof-read DM's original contributionQB]Ah - I thought DM might be a contemporary of yours when I saw he was a member of The British Ichthyological Society.
C.
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quote:Originally posted by Vagabond:[QBYes - didn't mention that- cos I proof-read DM's original contributionQB]
Ah - I thought DM might be a contemporary of yours when I saw he was a member of The British Ichthyological Society.
C.
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Elton - I reckon you should get Roger the Rod to put this up on your site.
http://homepages.tesco.net/~barbel/html/ar...ng/rodmenu.html
Chris
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Elton - I reckon you should get Roger the Rod to put this up on your site.
http://homepages.tesco.net/~barbel/html/ar...ng/rodmenu.html
Chris
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Vagabond,
I didn't doubt for one second that there would be differing counts from different experts! (& that you would be the one to know that!! )
My source is from a very old concise encyclopaedia I've had since childhood (so it's nearly 30 years old now
)- the source of these figures is given as J. VOSTRADOVSKÝ which sounds very East European to me and as such is probably based on continental observations!Intrestingly, and to continue your Crucian comparisons my '65 McClanes Standard Fishing Encyclopedia (without the a - this yanks just can't spell
) gives the figure at 28-35 (& 29-37 for goldfish). These figures are attributed to one David Marlborough.As you say -it's a minefield.
ATB
Chris
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Vagabond,
I didn't doubt for one second that there would be differing counts from different experts! (& that you would be the one to know that!! )
My source is from a very old concise encyclopaedia I've had since childhood (so it's nearly 30 years old now
)- the source of these figures is given as J. VOSTRADOVSKÝ which sounds very East European to me and as such is probably based on continental observations!Intrestingly, and to continue your Crucian comparisons my '65 McClanes Standard Fishing Encyclopedia (without the a - this yanks just can't spell
) gives the figure at 28-35 (& 29-37 for goldfish). These figures are attributed to one David Marlborough.As you say -it's a minefield.
ATB
Chris
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From a history of Imitation Pearls.....Vagabond:Newt, you may be interested to know that bleak were once the starting point for the manufacture of artificial pearls - the scales are very silvery, and easily detached. The French used to use several tons of scales annually - thousands of fish - good job they are very prolific!
Parisian pearls
It was only after 1610 that good quality and aesthetically valid artificial products were to be found. It was in this year that a Frenchman named Jacquin, coroner of Passy, observed the iridescent appearance of the water into which some bleak (Alburnus lucidus) had been scaled. This experiment led him to produce a substance which became universally known as essence of Orient which was none other than a suspension of guanine (minuscule luminous crystals removed from the lining of the membrane of fish scales with an aqueous detergent) in an organic liquid, usually cellulose nitrate, although other substances can also be used. Jacquin used this to coat the inside of glass-blown spheres, which he then filled with wax. The results were highly successful for the times, and commercialization began of these spherules, named “Parisian pearls or French pearls”, resulting in their widespread market approval and distribution up until the XX Century. Nevertheless, because of the high cost of the essence of Orient, pearls with a metallic finish or “metallic pearls” were also widely available.
Well it is quiet tonight!!
Chris
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From a history of Imitation Pearls.....Vagabond:Newt, you may be interested to know that bleak were once the starting point for the manufacture of artificial pearls - the scales are very silvery, and easily detached. The French used to use several tons of scales annually - thousands of fish - good job they are very prolific!
Parisian pearls
It was only after 1610 that good quality and aesthetically valid artificial products were to be found. It was in this year that a Frenchman named Jacquin, coroner of Passy, observed the iridescent appearance of the water into which some bleak (Alburnus lucidus) had been scaled. This experiment led him to produce a substance which became universally known as essence of Orient which was none other than a suspension of guanine (minuscule luminous crystals removed from the lining of the membrane of fish scales with an aqueous detergent) in an organic liquid, usually cellulose nitrate, although other substances can also be used. Jacquin used this to coat the inside of glass-blown spheres, which he then filled with wax. The results were highly successful for the times, and commercialization began of these spherules, named “Parisian pearls or French pearls”, resulting in their widespread market approval and distribution up until the XX Century. Nevertheless, because of the high cost of the essence of Orient, pearls with a metallic finish or “metallic pearls” were also widely available.
Well it is quiet tonight!!
Chris
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There's a copy of this, signed by the author, up for auction at that Bloomsbury Book auction that Elton alerted us to. It's Lot No. 283 - auctioneers guide price 40-60 UKPcoxie:Talking of Dick Walker's observational skills reminded me of his book, the title of which is one of my favourite quotes, "No Need To Lie".
Chris
[ 21 April 2002, 07:55 AM: Message edited by: Chris Plumb ]
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Here you go Gray...Gray-Catchpole:sorry, chris yes i would be very interested, thanks.
Number of scales in the lateral line - typical values.
Barbel 56-60
Bleak 42-52
Bream 51-60
Char 130-140
Chub 44-46
Common Carp 30-40
Crucian Carp 28-33
Dace 45-55
Grayling 74-96
Gudgeon 40-45
Minnow 80-92
Orfe 56-61
Perch 62-74
Pike 121-144
Roach 38-49
Rudd 38-42
Ruffe 35-40
Salmon 114-130
Silver Bream 43-51
Tench 87-115
Trout (Brown) 115-132
Trout (Rainbow) 120-150
Zander 70-83
Chris
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Here you go Gray...Gray-Catchpole:sorry, chris yes i would be very interested, thanks.
Number of scales in the lateral line - typical values.
Barbel 56-60
Bleak 42-52
Bream 51-60
Char 130-140
Chub 44-46
Common Carp 30-40
Crucian Carp 28-33
Dace 45-55
Grayling 74-96
Gudgeon 40-45
Minnow 80-92
Orfe 56-61
Perch 62-74
Pike 121-144
Roach 38-49
Rudd 38-42
Ruffe 35-40
Salmon 114-130
Silver Bream 43-51
Tench 87-115
Trout (Brown) 115-132
Trout (Rainbow) 120-150
Zander 70-83
Chris
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Dang it - you've got a copy...
C.
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Dang it - you've got a copy...
C.
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Yes!
One of the the ways to conspicuously indentify fish is to count the scales in the lateral line. This doesn't change with the fishes age but does vary from species to species. eg Roach have typically have 38 - 49, rudd 38 - 42, bream 51-60 and so on (I've got the whole list if your interested!!)
So scales increase in size as the fish grows. Around the base of each scale new lamellae called sclerites grow all the time, these are discernible as a number of dark and light rings arranged concentrically. They are reminiscent of the yearly growth of a tree. However, individual lamellae do not necessarily represent a year's growth as they may grow irregularly, depending on the fishes rate of growth. But as most fish grow quicker in summer producing broad lamellae and slow down in winter producing narrow ones it IS usually a good rough guide to the fishes age. Similar patterns of alternation in light and dark zones can often be seen in the bones of fish as well.
Interstingly examining the scales of a salmon can reveal the number of years spent at sea, in fresh water and the number of times it has returned to spawn.
Chris
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Yes!
One of the the ways to conspicuously indentify fish is to count the scales in the lateral line. This doesn't change with the fishes age but does vary from species to species. eg Roach have typically have 38 - 49, rudd 38 - 42, bream 51-60 and so on (I've got the whole list if your interested!!)
So scales increase in size as the fish grows. Around the base of each scale new lamellae called sclerites grow all the time, these are discernible as a number of dark and light rings arranged concentrically. They are reminiscent of the yearly growth of a tree. However, individual lamellae do not necessarily represent a year's growth as they may grow irregularly, depending on the fishes rate of growth. But as most fish grow quicker in summer producing broad lamellae and slow down in winter producing narrow ones it IS usually a good rough guide to the fishes age. Similar patterns of alternation in light and dark zones can often be seen in the bones of fish as well.
Interstingly examining the scales of a salmon can reveal the number of years spent at sea, in fresh water and the number of times it has returned to spawn.
Chris
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Ide are also known as Orfe. Same fish - Leuciscus idus.
Never caught one - though there are meant to be a few in the Kennet....
Chris