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1 hour ago, big_cod said:
Wasn’t that in the brexpress won’t happen .
No that's what is in withdrawal agreement act ratified by parliament on Jan 29th this year and the EU on the 30th of Jan
A no deal brexit is still the default position should no trade agreement be reached by Dec 31 2020 and no extension is agreed (which has to be done by July 1st).
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Well unless both us and the EU agree to extend the transition period by the July 1st we're out agreement or not in which case WTO rules kick in
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Brexit has happened, we're out, we just dealing with the trade negotiations in the transition period now.
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3 minutes ago, *Ant* said:
I really can't be bothered to "try" and read. So can someone just fill me in........has the sh*t hit the fan yet?
which particular sh1t? theres been a lot apparently going to hit the fan for years according to some
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I think the same incident gets a mention on the bbc website, no names mentioned though
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52003543
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2 hours ago, Martin56 said:
Clearly (as one would expect) things have moved on from my engineering apprentice days!!
time and technology moves on, I did find it an interesting read though as most wouldnt realise technical aspects behind something that appears at first glance to be so simple a design
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1 hour ago, chesters1 said:
So your insinuating no-one ever lost their jobs under a labour government?
I was made redundant by a labour run local government under a labour central government. So much for them looking after the workers
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For those interested a bit more on spirit levels and how their radius effects accuracy etc can be found here https://www.leveldevelopments.com/sensitivity-explained/
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8 hours ago, Martin56 said:
The letter of the law pays - that's how it is (Everyone is someone's son or daughter) or would you rather have it down to how much money you have to get them off??
I think your getting confused now I'm not referring to the financial cost but to the personal cost if someone wrongly convicted was executed (and whether you would find that acceptable if that person was a member of your family).
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53 minutes ago, Cameraman said:
Your arguement Sir is a non starter and pulled out as a poor excuse for abolishment whenever this is brought up.
The thing is it couldn't happen unless there is intelligence and proof and the family member has either a history or interest in murder, terrorism or associated buffoonery. It's why we have a justice system, trial by jurors, defence by barrister and a whole lot of hoops to jump through. Innocent until proven guilty. If a member of my family was involved in any form of terrorism a whole file would be available for defence and prosecution and someone somewhere would be able to provide indisputable evidence of guilt. Its not execution by association or circumstantial evidence. The authorities don't just randomly arrest and execute. The British justice system might not be perfect, but it's the best we have. I have to believe in it and uphold it, defend it. Defend my country.
Btw, I'm a retired ex Soldier, I spent the best part of 30 years man and boy in The Parachute Regiment. I believe in my country, I trust my country and I have defended it, several times. I also believe in free speech, and the right of what I consider absolute buffoons to have their say.
Nothing wrong with the death penalty, I firmly believe in that too.
Pedos, rapists and terrorists straight to the top if the list. - and that Sir is my right to free speech.
it couldn't happen right, so the Birmingham 6 wouldnt have been executed on false evidence and forced confessions ? how about the guildford four as another example?
so no my argument is not a non starter, plenty of murder convictions have been over turned at a later date when new evidence has come to light but it's a bit late if you have the death penalty.
You can believe in the death penalty as that your right to your opinion and you can believe in free speech (as do I though you'll actually find there is no so thing as free speech in this country as you can be locked up for incitement and "hate" speech) and though I disagree with your opinion on the death penalty I wouldnt refer to you as a "buffoon" for having a differing opinion especially as I dont know you from Adam.
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6 minutes ago, Martin56 said:
The difference is - I know my kids & the set of values I've taught them through me & my parents!!
It's all about setting lines not to be overstepped!!
My Kids are now Man & Woman & I have 7 grandchildren by them.
Once again - we're not talking these types are we!! We are really talking about the Terrorists & Arse Holes!!
and yet you still wont answer the question. What if the innocent that is killed due to bringing back the death penalty is one of your kids or grandkids ? mistakes happen even now is it a price your willing to happily pay?
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1 minute ago, Martin56 said:
Everyone is someone's Son or Daughter!!
And once again we're not talking everyone I am talking yours, would you be so quick to bring it back if it meant the cost was to hang your own son or daughter despite them being innocent
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4 minutes ago, Martin56 said:
We are talking about people here who do Cucumber Sandwiches o
So no rational argument or answer to what if the accidental cost was your son or daughter or yourself? lock people up for life by all means but you cant rescind the death penalty when you make a mistake
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There is no death penalty currently in the UK (it was completely abolished in 1998) and that imo is a good thing, the Charles de Menezes case was a different matter as that was an officer/officers responding and making a split second life or death decision (like those taken by soldiers in combat) that could have decided the life of not just de Menezes but a large number of others including the public at the time. unfortunately the intelligence was incorrect but that sort of situation is completely different to the cold blooded execution of a imprisoned person after trial.
There are too many errors in justice for the death penalty imo and those who bleat about "well it's worth it" would you be so fast to agree if the price was the death of an innocent and that innocent was you or your son or daughter or wife?
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1 hour ago, big_cod said:
What I do know there was 4 million less votes in the general election for the Tory brexit party who swore to get brexit over line than the referendum result of 17 million in 2016 what does that tell you .
Anybody who really wanted brexit would have voted Tory end of but 4 million turned there backs on brexit who voted for it in 2016 .
But the referendum wasnt a vote for any specific party so your argument is cr@p.
if you want to go by party and their stance on Brexit
conservative - get brexit done - 14 million votes
lib dems - cancel Brexit - 3.6 million
labour and everyone else - we cant make up our minds what to do so want yet another referendum - 14 million approx
so the only party who guaranteed they would cancel Brexit got 3.6 million votes so by Cod logic 12.5 million remainers changed their mind otherwise they would have voted lib dem
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5 minutes ago, big_cod said:
The only party that said get brexit done was the Tory party they got 13 million votes no other party said that and got 18 million between them .
And the only party that said they would cancel Brexit was the lib dems and they got 3.675 million so remain lost by a margin of 9 million as none of the other parties would go either way and just said we'll have yet another referendum.
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12 minutes ago, big_cod said:
Wasn’t the last election the brexit election all about getting brexit over line if you beloved in brexit you would have for it many did who would normally vote conservative but near On 5 million more voted for the parties who rejected brexit z.
But the only party that rejected and said they would cancel Brexit was the lib dems the rest said they would give a second referendum which once again was a sitting on the fence decision which left the public to decide. there was no guarantee of a remain except by voting for the lib dems and once again how did they do ?
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18 minutes ago, big_cod said:
Lies no lies just facts Chester’s your in a muddle 1975 ??? I will repeat in the last election the Tory party who shouted brexit brexit brexit got just 13 million Votes those who voted against the Tory brexit party got 18 million votes very easy to work out not to complicated is it .
And again the brexit Tory party vote total was 4 million short of the referendum total in 2016 people changed there minds !! so by those figures the people of the United Kingdom rejected brexit in the last election by a far great number that voted for it in 2016 .
The will of the people only when it suits .
who says all those who didnt vote conservative want to remain ? the only party who said they would cancel brexit was the lib dems I believe (and how well did they do ? ) the rest promised a second referendum which didnt necessarily mean remaining. Many voters would have stayed with their normal parties due to the usual blind loyalty doesnt mean they would have voted to remain just that the blind " my father voted x and his father before him" loyalty kept them from voting conservative.
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2 hours ago, leedafeeder said:
Even if our economy grows after leaving the EU,our standards will be in the gutter,alongside the USA and Australia's. But that's what 13.9 million people voted for when voting Conservative.
The implications are enormous..
well you could have always voted for corbyn and ended up with the standards of one of his favourite countries Venezuela, which are of course second to none
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2 hours ago, Phone said:
Snakey,
Yes I agree. Here is a link to perhaps as good as any (it includes Taylor's KO). It may help, the guy is British. It is long, detailed and dry as he!!.
http://www.rathcoombe.net/sci-tech/ballistics/myths.html
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very interesting reading phone and I wouldnt argue with any of it, it was interesting it mentioned the THV round which rarely gets a mention anywhere (outside some South African forums as I believe that's were the design and research ended up) and some interesting reading can be found here http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/THV.htm
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7 hours ago, Phone said:
All,
A fine topic for a discussion (argument) - ballistics.
You better have your PhD in physics handy so you can explain for us the usefulness of knowing the Mass of Bullet × Velocity of Bullet × Diameter of Bullet) / (7000 (Conversion of Grains to Pounds)
In my shooting days I always preferred a flat high velocity round. Of course, in many cases, I was wrong.
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Taylor KO scale, used for estimating how good a round is on big game (specifically elephant and how likely a round is to knockout an elephant when its headshot).
it's an alternate to comparing muzzle energy
Developed by John Taylor and based on his experience using large bore heavy slow bullets in elephant hunting (which he was rather good at) which he favoured over smaller higher velocity rounds.
it doesnt necessarily work so well with medium and smaller game and more modern bullet design but for what Taylor did and from his experience it is reasonably accurate.
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10 hours ago, Martin56 said:
Guns don't kill people snakey - people with Guns kill people!!
Calibre is of little or no consequence!!
.22, .25, .38, .357 Magnum or .45 to name but a few = just as dead.
The name of the Firearms company you're looking for is Beretta.
The 9 mm Glock is the preferred UK police sidearm. (when armed)
What's one got to worry about if not doing anything wrong??
Calibre is of a lot of consequence if your trying to hit a target at in excess of 1000 yards, you wont do it with a .22lr or any of the other calibres you've listed.
I wasnt looking for a firearms manufacturer so I'm not sure if this was aimed at me as beretta dont have anything to do with either .50bmg or .408 cheytac which is what I posted about.
The glock 17 is the most widely issued police handgun however there are others, west mids police issue the sig p229 or p320 for example
I do have some history of firearms as I've owned a number and shot dozens of different firearms in a variety of calibres from .458win mag to .22lr
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22 hours ago, Ken L said:
Yesterday's events at Star City are far from uncommon.
The only thing that set it apart (other than the absence of anybody getting shot or stabbed) is that instead of happening in an immigrant area, where the news can be contained and kept out of the press to avoid inflaming community tensions, this happened in full sight of the normies.
Star city isnt an immigrant area ?? when were you there last Ken because when I've been there I've definitely been in the minority.
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Alas the ability to read and comprehend what others have written is not a strong point for some. I do try not to bother nowadays as really theres just no getting past those massive blinders but sometimes I can't resist the temptation to try.
must be useful at times to be able to blissfully ignore what is going on in the surrounding world and live in ones own little fairy story.