DILEMMA or changing values?

[Guest Alan Pearce]

Graham, I think it best if clubs and fishery owners set the rules according to what the anglers want and is suitable. Surely you wouldn't want to return to the days of big brother (government) telling you how when and where to fish, this should be decided by anglers, clubs and fishery owners. Don't you agree?

 

Alan.

[Guest Graham E]

So a Kill all Pike rule is Ok then? Set by owners and participating anglers and the club?

 

Rules are established for one major reason, to prevent abuse of waters and the natural environment.( around 75pc of rules will relate to this attainment)

 

Anglers are self regulating, pull the other one Alan!

 

In fact I see the main reason for any "Overlord" (BB) group such as the potential SAA as being seen as giving guidance for Clubs in best practice principals. If not so why bother?

 

[This message has been edited by Graham E (edited 23 March 2001).]

[Guest wolf]

Originally posted by Gaffer:

... Either I'm getting too sensitive for this forum ...Gaffer

 

Gaffer you're right: What the dilemma?

 

May I suggest that we all need to go fishin'???

 

relax

 

this pike? - 60 years ago!

 

Nobody is forced to fish with buzzer and pods, and nobody is forced to stay awake all cold night looking at some bl... hangers that never move

 

 

PS: nice page!

[Guest Alan Pearce]

Originally posted by Graham E:

So a Kill all Pike rule is Ok then? Set by owners and participating anglers and the club?

 

Rules are established for one major reason, to prevent abuse of waters and the natural environment.( around 75pc of rules will relate to this attainment)

 

Anglers are self regulating, pull the other one Alan!

 

In fact I see the main reason for any "Overlord" (BB) group such as the potential SAA as being seen as giving guidance for Clubs in best practice principals. If not so why bother?

 

[This message has been edited by Graham E (edited 23 March 2001).]

 

Which is exactly what the SACG did a few seasons back when it published The Code of Conduct for Specialist Anglers, A great many individual angling clubs have adopted this code as part of their own rules.

 

Alan.

[Guest Steve Burke]

Originally posted by Alan Pearce:

Which is exactly what the SACG did a few seasons back when it published The Code of Conduct for Specialist Anglers, A great many individual angling clubs have adopted this code as part of their own rules.

 

I believe I was the first to do so at Wingham. This is how my rules start:

 

PRINCIPLES

 

1. Every member must do his or her utmost to avoid damage to fish, wildlife or the site.

 

2. Members must not interfere with the enjoyment of others.

 

Wingham Fisheries supports the SACG/NASA Code of Conduct, a copy of which is enclosed for new members. Any member breaking this Code of Conduct will be deemed to have broken the fishery rules.

 

From these principles come the following rules:...........

 

 

 

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Wingham Fisheries

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/fisheries/wingham.htm

[Guest mpbdsnu]

Originally posted by Steve Burke:

PRINCIPLES

 

1. Every member must do his or her utmost to avoid damage to fish, wildlife or the site.

 

2. Members must not interfere with the enjoyment of others.

 

Wingham Fisheries supports the SACG/NASA Code of Conduct, a copy of which is enclosed for new members. Any member breaking this Code of Conduct will be deemed to have broken the fishery rules.

 

From these principles come the following rules:...........

 

Excellent Steve - I think a lot of clubs could learn something from this!

[Guest Graham E]

So going back to where you came in Alan. Do YOU think the SAA should recommend a max 2 rod rule on rivers?

A simple yes or no will suffice. Or leave it to the angler. I guess the same applies to all the SACG "rules" etc.

[Guest Steve Burke]

Originally posted by Graham E:

So going back to where you came in Alan. Do YOU think the SAA should recommend a max 2 rod rule on rivers?

A simple yes or no will suffice. Or leave it to the angler. I guess the same applies to all the SACG "rules" etc.

 

I'd be interested to hear Alan's view. However, this doesn't mean it will be SAA policy. Presumably, everyone will get a say - provided that is that they're members in the first place!

 

For myself, I can see very few occasions when I'd want to fish with more than *one* rod on rivers, let alone two. However, there would be some. Indeed, I could foresee the odd circumstances when I might want to fish with three for some species - a wide slow-flowing stretch with a very low head of fish for instance. Bear in mind, Graham, that not all river anglers are after barbel. Indeed only a few even contain barbel!

 

I'd much rather see local limits on the number of rods rather than a blanket national one. If you were to propose a 2 rod limit on the Kentish Stour for instance, I'd support it.

 

You'd probably have more success with this policy as most clubs are run by match anglers who'd be more sympathetic to your views.

 

I grant you there are a few anglers who might abuse a 3 or 4 rod limit. But then there are some barbel anglers who don't nurse their barbel, especially in high water temperatures. Should we then ban all barbel fishing in summer?

 

The point I'm trying to make is that all the various disciplines have different ideas and values. Any national law must take account of all of these. If every discipline successfully campaigned for banning everything it didn't agree with there'd be almost nothing we *could* do! Night fishing would certainly go as many consider it unsporting - which I'm sure most barbel anglers would disagree with!

 

IMO, the practices that should be banned nationwide are those that the vast majority consider dangerous. Local fishery managers should then decide what's appropriate or not on their own waters.

 

Additionally, perhaps a recommendation could be put into the SACG/NASA Code of Conduct when it's looked at by the new SAA?

 

 

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Wingham Fisheries

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/fisheries/wingham.htm

[Guest Peter Waller]

Since we are now back on the cursed multi rod rule issue may I suggest a reasonable compromise for the forthcoming SAA to consider. Quite simply that two rods be the maximum numbers of rods used by anyone angler unless the owner of the non tidal water allows otherwise, exactly in line with the close season exemptions.

[Guest Graham E]

Steve, I never mentioned barbel. Probably 50pc of my fishing is trotting, and a biggie like the Thames. But I am seeing an increasing number of anglers with 2 leger rods out and also a rolled meat or float rod in hand. Peter, yes a recommendation would be better than fence sitting.