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Hi wurzel What actually is a healthy stock in your honest opinion? maybe rsa's dont have a clue to what that could be? how have you come to such a conclusion? other than maybe your earnings have gone up through the explotation of bass year on year that is as there are other factors that could change that outcome that has nothing to do with more availability of that stock etc, cheers.......

Hi barry Yes i am sure, in fact i know there is some common ground to work with between the two, but the people who represent the commercial fishermen are not interested and that is the problem as this postponed bass mls increase clearly shows (and i feel that the majority of the few fishermen that are left are like minded) i have just told a few lads down the local tackle shop about the postponed mls increase and they are totally pi**ed about this decision i can tell you. Barry i have written to defra about quota issues in the past and how unfair some of this has been on local and some national fishermen and indeed asked for some of these to be increased for some species where fishermen used more sustainable methods etc, but i am buggered if i or any of my sea angling club members and friends will ever bother again, cheers............

Hi all Getting back to the general idea of me posting this thread, which was to try once again to find a bit of common ground between rsa and commercials i have to finally admit that there is none to be found that can ever be agreed upon, very sad realy but after reading about the posponement of the bass mls increase next month and who has instigated it ie, the nffo and how pig headed they are!! thats it with me as far as the commercials are concerned they can all get stuffed!! cheers, end of thread..........

Its not beyond belief to me glen, as they are both bent.................

Its in the last paragraph "TAKING THIS FORWARD" along with a load of other crap glen, cheers...........

Hi steve This just proves what a complete and utter spineless person mr bradshaw realy is dont it, he knows that its down to the commercials that the shore sport is totally crap nowadays, but he just aint got the balls when it comes down it to even try to make things a little better for the rsa, until he is removed i see nothing changing what so ever. ps, went off the local beach today caught 20 rockling 3 dabs 1 pout 1 flounder and 2 codling all undersized, spent £40.00 in the local tackle shop and have come home thinking was it realy worth it? pps, saw plenty of nets, and its amazing how selective they are at only letting through the tiddlers dont you think? cheers...........

Hi nigel2 There are 400 registered fishing boats in my area according to ssfc website http://www.sussex-sfc.gov.uk/about_the_fishery.htm 10% of these are over 10 metres leaving around 360 under 10's now a lot of these boats will be potting maybe? but as it says! they are very diverse and switch around on availability of what is about ie, netting for fish or potting for crab/lobsters maybe even doing both at the same time? a few pots here and a fleet or two of gilnets there if you know what i mean? any way it all adds up along with the beamers from belgium and trawlers from france and indeed our own local boys to a lot of pressure in such a small area of ground dont you agree?????????

Hi davy I would say those figures were a little on the conservative side, especially where i am in the south they trawl the arse of the beaches down here because its so easily accessable nice sandy shallow beaches for slipper sole, coupled with the hundreds of under ten metre boys, the beach fishing is well and truly f**ked, there may not be as many fishermen today as there was in the old days but there is still plenty enough inside the 6 mile limit to keep fish stocks surpressed to a crap level and worse, cheers.............

Hi ian I suppose i qualify as one of the whingers as you put it dahn south, and you are so wrong to think some of us dont realise what opportunity's this strategy may bring to the rsa in england, on the contrary it is why there is!! some whinging and moaning, my beliefs at the time of the bass mls fiasco was that it made more sense to go for a larger mls than 45cm ie, 55cm knowing it would get watered down in negotiation and i still think today you would have got a little bit better outcome if that had been the case, i put that down to B.A.S.S. failings not mine as i was not involved with that organisation and had no input in anything to do with formulating its bmp. Down south we are a little ahead of you guys in macland as regards rsa and the government but given time ian, and you have a few bums on seats and a few proposals and a strategy of your own, dont worry i gaurantee the whingers and moaners will soon come out of the woodwork mate, try not to look on it as a bad thing though if you can? cheers.......

Hi leon Lets hope this sfc transformation means more rsa reps bums on seats on these committees? helping to re-address the massive imbalances that we currently have heavily in favour of the commercials. Do you think this is likely leon??????

Hi colin Do you mean c/r only with regards to mullet? if so i totaly agree mate, cheers........

looks that way nick, lets hope some good worthwhile things for the rsa comes out of it? i wont hold my breath though, but at the same time i would love to be wrong, cheers...............

Hi fishingsfine Crikey!! the penny has finaly dropped as it, same thing will probably happen to the golden mile proposal, the same old watering down will occur, along with any of the rest of the ideas contained in the strategy draft, cant blame people for being a bit worried can you realy as the reps dont realy seem to have an idea how to do deal with defra officials, dont get me to wrong, there probably is some very well educated and talented people representing the rsa but they may be lacking the right nowhow that is needed, it seems to me there attitude is to not ask for to much, which i think is a fundemental mistake that any ten year old school kid brought up on a council house estate could tell you, cheers.........

I dont think many people will dissagree with you john about defra or any of this present governments failings from the very bottom to the very top, maybe the nffo should get such a petition started?

Ok wurzel lets agree thats its just hype that commercial fishing is one of the most dangerous jobs you can get, if you put all the hours fishermen do actually fish in to a year they probably work no more longer than i with my land lubbers job perhaps less with all those restricted days etc? As to you agreeing to the golden mile as long as anglers stayed within it, well i would say that atleast two thirds of this country's rsa would probably take you up on that wurzel, as i believe that this would be a fair reflection of the numbers when it comes to shore angling v boat angling i recon that if we have say 3000000 rsa? 2000000 of them would been participating only from the shore imo, cheers.........

Hey dogs dont be surprised with the amount of prosicutions made by sfc's officers on anglers after april as i predict there will be quite a few this year.........

It maybe a democracy dogs but its about as pure as a london prostitute when it comes down to those who run it with their corruption/lies and/self only interests, scumbags the lot of em

Hi nick I see now, the government gives you a pile of camals dung to work with you put up with that and say thankyou you then kick it around afew times either gathering more dung or the pile gets gets even smaller and when your finished with it you then ask joe public what they think of it in some sort of consultation, i dont think you will get many takers nick because no matter how you dress it up it will always be exactly what it is dung, the more and more i look at it now thats what i am seeing in this strategy, cheers.................

Hi leon Yes we have this bylaw in my area and i challenged the sfc about it and even put forward a proposal to change it, nothing major only an extention by a couple of measly months ie, instead of it running from may to september how about april to october as mullet are around here these months to, i think anyone who has dealt with sfc's could guess what they said about that? The fact is leon this was 2 years ago there was no rsa strategy to tell me or anybody about how to work with whoever!! so i see nothing new in these current iwg/strategy and it is all looking like a whole total waste of time, i think a few of us are starting to see this, instead of working with the same old commercially biased rules we have had for the last god knows how long, reps and people who have put themselves forward to represent the rsa should be looking to change these crappy bylaws/rules not by working with them, i dont think you or anyone else will ever achieve anything worthwhile in our lifetimes and its a bloody shame after doing the hard bit ie, capturing the governments ears imo, cheers..........

Hi Leon Its a shame the rsa reps dont believe in some of their own proposals, when you say existing tools to limit fixed gill-nets would you care to elaborate, cheers............

Leon, did you not have problems trying to keep the golden mile idea in the strategy and did'nt quite a few of the iwg members try to get rid?????

Hi leon These inshore working groups/rsa sub groups (apart from 2 nfsa and 1 bass members) look pretty much the same old same old situation we have had and still have within sfc's to me ie. run by commercials for commercials,does looking down the list of the members fill me with the utmost of confidence that these people will deliver pukka proposals that will realy benefit the rsa as whole? sorry, i think not!!! I agree about being in it to try to change it, but if you are always the minority nothing will ever change imo unless the unballance where the commercial vote is atleast equal" rsa's reps are always going to be pi**ing in the wind its time defra realised this, do you know if they at all aware cos it sure dont look like it to me, cheers..........

Hi ken, you must like eating fish very much indeed! i dont think i could stomach twelve dabs in a day or any other type of fish for that matter, i do agree with your bass limit of two a day but i would set my mls a little higher if i fancied ever taking one home which i wont, i noticed you left out mullet! which i would recommend as a c+r only species as they taste like "crap" anyway and they can only be regarded as a true sport angling species by anyone with an ounce of sense, then we have the good old cod well it seems it is just as popular with a lot of anglers in its eating!! as well as its catching!! and for this reason i would have to argue that perhaps bag limits is not the answer for it (not very conservational i know) but there you go, cheers...............

Done, no worries..................