Hair rig

[KAUTO]

Hi all,

i'm really struggling with the actual hair. The problem i have, is when i tie the loop of the hair it kinks.

Is there another knot i could use to tie the loop to make presentation better ?

 

Thanks Dave

Edited May 14, 2011 by KAUTO

[Andrew Burgess]

Hi all,

i'm really struggling with the actual hair. The problem i have, is when i tie the loop of the hair it kinks.

Is there another knot i could use to tie the loop to make presentation better ?

 

Thanks Dave

 

What knot are trying to do up - can't really understand the "hair loop kink" most hair loop which do if not done up right and it is depending on what hooklenght material you're you could be using mono or braid as far I know.

 

I do not know if there another knot for making the boilie loop as this is the most simple method of making a boilie loop or overhand loop for the knotless hair rig.

 

Here an suggustion - here a picture by picture or step by step insructions - I this put up for another website a few years ago - a bit slight of date but it is the same thing -

 

 

I am going to show you a step by step instruction on making a knotless knot rig.

 

You need the following items.

 

Braid hooklenght

Carp hook

Boilie stop to match the colour of the boilie (if possible)

Baiting needle

Braid scissors

 

1) Grab a small length of Braid hooklenght. There are various braid hooklenght on the market but choose the one you're most confident in. As for me I am using the Kryston Mantis Gold for photographic pictures. You can use either braid or mono hooklenght but again using braid for photographic pictures!

 

 

 

2) Remove a 1 inch strip of coating on the braid.

 

 

And create a boilie loop or an overhand loop

 

 

3) Trim off the excess

 

 

4) Get a Boilie needle and thread the loop through the other end

 

 

 

 

5) Place a boilie stop which will stop the bait flying out when casting

 

 

6) And it should end up like this.

 

 

7) Now thread a carp hook as in my case I am using a Mustad Eyed Method Feeder Hook Size 8 (Not made anymore by the Manufacture) on to the braid by going through the eye of the hook

 

 

8) This is very important that the length must be critical. The ideal length is sometime 1/2" or more from the bend of the hook.

 

Then start whipping down the shank of the hook - minimum 5 turns to maximum 8 turns

 

 

 

9) Once you have made your choice on how many turn on the shank then you pass through the eye again and pull really tight

 

 

On the other end of the braid hooklenght you tied on a swivel of your choice, here I am using an half bloodknot

 

 

And the finish half bloodknot

 

 

And there you are a knotless knot rig.

 

If you can't make this then I suggest you buy the already made carp rigs in the tackle shop which could work out quite expensive than making your own!

Edited May 14, 2011 by Andrew Burgess

[KAUTO]

What knot are trying to do up - can't really understand the "hair loop kink" most hair loop which do if not done up right and it is depending on what hooklenght material you're you could be using mono or braid as far I know.

 

I do not know if there another knot for making the boilie loop as this is the most simple method of making a boilie loop or overhand loop for the knotless hair rig.

 

Here an suggustion - here a picture by picture or step by step insructions - I this put up for another website a few years ago - a bit slight of date but it is the same thing -

 

 

I am going to show you a step by step instruction on making a knotless knot rig.

 

You need the following items.

 

Braid hooklenght

Carp hook

Boilie stop to match the colour of the boilie (if possible)

Baiting needle

Braid scissors

 

1) Grab a small length of Braid hooklenght. There are various braid hooklenght on the market but choose the one you're most confident in. As for me I am using the Kryston Mantis Gold for photographic pictures. You can use either braid or mono hooklenght but again using braid for photographic pictures!

 

 

 

2) Remove a 1 inch strip of coating on the braid.

 

 

And create a boilie loop or an overhand loop

 

 

3) Trim off the excess

 

 

4) Get a Boilie needle and thread the loop through the other end

 

 

 

 

5) Place a boilie stop which will stop the bait flying out when casting

 

 

6) And it should end up like this.

 

 

7) Now thread a carp hook as in my case I am using a Mustad Eyed Method Feeder Hook Size 8 (Not made anymore by the Manufacture) on to the braid by going through the eye of the hook

 

 

8) This is very important that the length must be critical. The ideal length is sometime 1/2" or more from the bend of the hook.

 

Then start whipping down the shank of the hook - minimum 5 turns to maximum 8 turns

 

 

 

9) Once you have made your choice on how many turn on the shank then you pass through the eye again and pull really tight

 

 

On the other end of the braid hooklenght you tied on a swivel of your choice, here I am using an half bloodknot

 

 

And the finish half bloodknot

 

 

And there you are a knotless knot rig.

 

If you can't make this then I suggest you buy the already made carp rigs in the tackle shop which could work out quite expensive than making your own!

 

Hi and thanks again for such a detailed response.

Ive basically tied the full knotless knot rig but the problem i have is when i tie the Boilie loop the line sort of kinks at the knot of the loop.

Kind of hard to explain but the knot doesn't sit straight.

Just tried a boilie on the loop and the weight of the boilie straightens the loop.

Don't think it's anything to worry about.

Im using 12lb mono by the way

 

Thanks Dave.

[Andrew Burgess]

Hi and thanks again for such a detailed response.

Ive basically tied the full knotless knot rig but the problem i have is when i tie the Boilie loop the line sort of kinks at the knot of the loop.

Kind of hard to explain but the knot doesn't sit straight.

Just tried a boilie on the loop and the weight of the boilie straightens the loop.

Don't think it's anything to worry about.

Im using 12lb mono by the way

 

Thanks Dave.

 

12lb Mono hooklenght?

[KAUTO]

12lb Mono hooklenght?

 

Yeah, is that no good ?

I'm using the same line as my main line.

12lb Korda Adrenaline

 

Thanks Dave

[Andrew Burgess]

Yeah, is that no good ?

I'm using the same line as my main line.

12lb Korda Adrenaline

 

Thanks Dave

 

Stop what you are doing!

 

You never use the same line as your main line The Adrenaline was NEVER design for hooklenght!

 

Here this what I should use - stick to the 12lb Korda Adrenaline as your main line and choose something either lower in the mono breaking of lesser breaking strain of either 8lb or 10lb but not in the Adrenaline!

 

Because you you did carry on using the same stuff as the main line then you're asking for trouble. There always a greater risk of the mainline snapping even if you have an safely lead clip (to dump the lead when snagged or not ) that you're leaving an hooklenght where it still be resulting a tether fish.

 

Because you're using the main line as some of the hooklength no wonder the boilie loop was kink!

 

Not having a go at you, but you need serious help in someone showing you the right way of fishing for carp.

 

I can help but need to arrange some time available for both of us to show you.

Edited May 14, 2011 by Andrew Burgess

[KAUTO]

Stop what you are doing!

 

You never use the same line as your main line The Adrenaline was NEVER design for hooklenght!

 

Here this what I should use - stick to the 12lb Korda Adrenaline as your main line and choose something either lower in the mono breaking of lesser breaking strain of either 8lb or 10lb but not in the Adrenaline!

 

Because you you did carry on using the same stuff as the main line then you're asking for trouble. There always a greater risk of the mainline snapping even if you have an safely lead clip (to dump the lead when snagged or not ) that you're leaving an hooklenght where it still be resulting a tether fish.

 

Because you're using the main line as some of the hooklength no wonder the boilie loop was kink!

 

Not having a go at you, but you need serious help in someone showing you the right way of fishing for carp.

 

I can help but need to arrange some time available for both of us to show you.

 

Ok bud, i'm going to buy some braid tomorrow but i don't know what strength to buy.

I'm going to be using 12lb Adenaline so what strength braid do you recommend ?

 

This Carp fishing game is becoming alot more technical then first thought

 

Thanks Dave

[Andrew Burgess]

Dave, I did say carry on using the Korda !2lb Adenaline as your main line - the reel line!

 

May I ask you why it got to be braid? Why not in mono of a lower breaking of 8lb or 10lb as mono hooklenght? You might seem it a bit risky in going into the lower breaking in mono but you're increasing the chances of catch more fish!

 

There nothing wrong using braid as hooklenght as it is far more superior than mono hooklenght - I would suggest as you are a beginner carper and do not wish to spend a fortune on buying braid hooklenght in the higher breaking strain of 20lb, 25lb, 30lb

as it will most of it time life will be sitting in the tacklebox than using it. I am not going to recommend any brand name to you this would be easy learning to you but as for once was my favorite (but not on gravel pits) I would for you go for the Drennan Super Specialist Sinkbraid Super Specilist Sinkbraid

which have a good range of breaking strength but go for the hooklenght braid of 8lb and 10lb this is for starter and once to get the hand of landing a quite a few carp on that braid and you can start thinking at a later date (say in a few years!) like

changing hooklenght to a different makes of braid and it colours as well.

 

There are so many braid hooklenght materials out on the market these days and most comes in 4 difference colours of the water/lake conditions of the lake bed - the main colours are - gravel = gravel pits, clay = clay pit, silt (black) for silt condition and green for weedy waters.

 

So in my private mail to you, on most venues you will it more less of clay and one/or two are clay with some areas of silt condition.

 

Also I will suggest look for fishing books on carping like example - Lee Jackson's Carp Clinic - by emap active isbn number is 0-9533087-7-4 and cost around £8

 

Or

 

The Fox Guide to Carp Fishing which will cover most methods for beginners and even experience carper - these sell mostly in tackleshop or mail order.

[KAUTO]

Been for a walk round Earlswood lakes today and was talking to a few anglers about the rigs they were using.

One of them was using a braided look length which has a much higher breaking strain than the main line.

I'm now really confussed, why would you use these tactics ?

Really don't understand that.

 

Thanks, Dave

[Andrew Burgess]

Been for a walk round Earlswood lakes today and was talking to a few anglers about the rigs they were using.

One of them was using a braided look length which has a much higher breaking strain than the main line.

I'm now really confussed, why would you use these tactics ?

Really don't understand that.

 

Thanks, Dave

 

Dave you can use a higher breaking strain hooklenght either in mono or braids if you want to but by doing that you're increasing less chance of catch a carp and also increase a greater risk if the of a tethered fish.