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[Guest darrell.cook]

Aren't the carp boys getting just a bit touchy?I'm sure if Tommy Morgan had the benefits of alarms and baitrunners then he wouldn't have had the need to lash the rod to a tree.

Pete,I think you made a fair point,and hope that it wasn't just a cheap dig.

Possibly if we hadn't had all the advances over the years,perhaps a good many of us might be lashing rods to trees today.

[Guest Elton]

Originally posted by Scott:

Andy Jack when you put things like

 

"that allows a carp angler to engage in other activities, whilst fishing".

 

Dont complain when people start carp bashing if you want to engage in other activities why bother carrying all your tackle with you.

I go fishing to catch fish.

 

Yeah, for God's sake, don't engage in such activities as 'baiting up', 'observing the water for signs of fish movement' and 'having a sandwich'. That just wouldn't be fishing.

 

Tight lines,

 

Elton

 

 

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[Guest mpbdsnu]

Hi Darrel - with all respect mate - take a look at a few of the other recent threads and you'll see that quite a few digs have been made at carpers! So, no - the carp boys are not getting a bit touchy - just defending their aspect of the sport!

 

Elton - perhaps now's the time to introduce a 'carp only' forum, and thus keep it seperate from the general course forum?

[Guest Graham E]

And a barbel forumn....and one for Roach....and also for Steve a Perch one...

and a Nev ..sorry Pike one.....

 

I think the question was a valid one whether it was a piker/carper/barbeller.

 

Carp anglers have been the most tackle inventive and bait innovative group since..the year dot. True, feel better.

 

Now does a fish that hooks itself whilst the rod is fixed with a baitrunner reel and the angler is asleep count? or should it.

[Guest darrell.cook]

mpbdsnu,

I understand where you're coming from,the only thing I would say is that I have treated this as a stand alone thread and not a continuation of any other.

To be frank I tend to drift away from some of the carp bashing,organisation bashing threads,etc.as they sometimes tend to be repetitve,destructive and often long winded.

However,I still see similarities in lashing rods to trees many years ago with the way some of our fishing is done today.The major difference being our ability to refine the technique due to alarms,baitrunners,etc.

Please note I do not exclude myself here,I use alarms and am currently awaiting the arrival of a new pair of baitrunners.

[Guest trent.barbeler]

Peter,Carpers,Pikers,Whoever,

 

No amount of talking will ever see Tommy Morgan back within the mists of Lomond searching for monster pike. Whats past is past. Tommy lives on in angling history.

 

Why oh why are so many anglers on this site and elsewhere still happy to run their rapiers through the fishing practices of other specialist anglers.

 

Carp angling IS for the most part all about bivvies,buzzers and rod pods. What the hell is wrong with that. Its down to carp anglers how they choose to fish and what tackle and equipment they like to use.

 

Not that long ago, if it were not for the carp fishing trade, a lot of tackle dealers would have gone bust.

 

What about the pike anglers. Are they not legally allowed to use up to four rods where it is allowed by clubs/syndicates or whatever? And use buzzers if they so dessire.

 

Just like the carp anglers, dont pike anglers enjoy an enviable reputation for the absolute care of their chosen species.

 

Whats all the fuss about? Why cant certain people leave these guys alone?

 

Does it really matter what carp and pike anglers do via their choice of fishing equipment. Surely it is all down to how they look after their chosen species whilst they are in their care that really counts.

 

And I would defy anyone to tell me that they dont. Come on guys, lets have some support for these anglers and a lot less negative moaning.

[Guest Gaffer]

Originally posted by Graham E:

Now does a fish that hooks itself whilst the rod is fixed with a baitrunner reel and the angler is asleep count? or should it.

 

IMO yes, if that's the way you choose to fish

and is within the boundries of the Fishery/EA rules then what's the problem?

 

As for the rod lashed to a tree story, well, I'd have though that Peter and those that 'see his point' would know that there is a world of difference between that story and a carp angler using a rod and a pod.

 

Any chance to have a dig, eh?!

 

Either I'm getting too sensitive for this forum or some people (always the same people!) are becoming very irritating with their anti-carp angler crusade.

 

ttfn,

 

Gaffer

[Guest mpbdsnu]

Originally posted by darrell.cook:

mpbdsnu,

I understand where you're coming from,the only thing I would say is that I have treated this as a stand alone thread and not a continuation of any other.

To be frank I tend to drift away from some of the carp bashing,organisation bashing threads,etc.as they sometimes tend to be repetitve,destructive and often long winded.

However,I still see similarities in lashing rods to trees many years ago with the way some of our fishing is done today.The major difference being our ability to refine the technique due to alarms,baitrunners,etc.

Please note I do not exclude myself here,I use alarms and am currently awaiting the arrival of a new pair of baitrunners.

 

I am pleased you said that you have treated this as a stand alone thread - my respect to you for that, and likewise re: the destructive,long-winded threads that do indeed become so repetitive.

 

However, re: the comparison made between lashing rods to trees and some techniques used today - if your are in fact referring to the use of free-spool reels and bite alarms, there IS a big difference - the former is illegal!

 

Further consideration should be given (imo), before comparisons are made between the two: that Tommy Morgan (as this example has already been used) went off in a boat! This is a bit different to being tucked away inside one's bivvie! With the latter, the time taken to arrive at the rods is minimal, the same in no way be said in the case of the former!

[Guest darrell.cook]

mpbdsnu wrote:

 

However, re: the comparison made between lashing rods to trees and some techniques used today - if your are in fact referring to the use of free-spool reels and bite alarms, there IS a big difference - the former is

 

And quite rightly so.Modern carp fishing has developed more techniques than any other aspect of the sport.It would take a brave man to argue against this.

I have never entered into any "carp bashing" and hopefully never will.Neither would I criticise the matchangler with his keepnet or the predator angler using livebaits,etc,etc.

The only point I make is that given the era and the equipment available,perhaps Tommy Morgan was a true innovater.

That said,the fact that he was in a boat(and to the best of my knowedge trees don't grow in boats)is not really on.

Apolagies to anyone offended,it was not my intention

[Guest mpbdsnu]

I for one am not offended by your comments darrel - I think its good to openly talk about such things.

 

Graham E - the only reason I suggested a carp forum is that carp fishing is the only type that seems to be taking stick! I don't see anyone specifically having a go at QUOTE: "And a barbel forumn....and one for Roach....and also for Steve a Perch one...

and a Nev ..sorry Pike one....."

 

That is typical of the sarcastic answer I have come to expect from someone who is 'apparently' so anti-carp fishing!!!