Angling not in top 20 sports

[monkeyboy]

Phil Hackett is right a non fishers view is quarellsome. People who dont fish or have anything to do with fishing dont see the cash that goes into the upkeep of waterways and the environment.

All due to anglers.

Im a big believer in the licensing system and look down on those who dont pay up!

Sport england arnt going to publish anything that may tarnish their credibility.

[waterman1013]

Budgie

 

How about;

 

Membership Services

 

Financial Administration

 

Competitions – sea, coarse and game, national and international

 

Development/training – sea, coarse and game

 

Sponsorship and co-operation

 

Media Services – would be outsourced to a specialist sports/political PR agency.

 

Publications to members and/or licence holders

 

Legal Services

 

Ecological/environmental and Campaigning

 

Political monitoring services – national, EU and global

 

That list is just for starters.

 

Mike

[Dick Dastardly]

Mike,please bear with me.I respect the fact that as I have said before people like your self and many others work hard for angling.The problem is that I and I am sure many others dont understand what is going on.Maybe if we did we could be more supportive?I will take your answers one by one-

 

 

Membership Services- membership of what?

 

Financial Administration- Administering what finances?

 

Competitions – sea, coarse and game, national and international-Surely to a greater extent these are self funding?

 

Development/training – sea, coarse and game-Yes but in what way?

 

Sponsorship and co-operation -?

 

Media Services – would be outsourced to a specialist sports/political PR agency.-Yes

 

Publications to members and/or licence holders-Dosent the EA allready do this,funded by our rod licence fee?

 

Legal Services-For who?Doesnt the ACA do enough by taking polluters to court?

 

Ecological/environmental and Campaigning-once again the EA and ACA surely cover this from the anglers point of view?And all of society should be accountable for these issues not just anglers?

 

Political monitoring services – national, EU and global.-?

[waterman1013]

No Problem Budgie. I was coming from the position of having a single angling body in place and the funding becoming available. Sorry I should have made that point for the post to be meaningful.

 

Membership services – to administer to the members of NAA and its constituent parts, replacing three membership services teams in the AGBs and the individual membership secretaries in SAA and NAFAC. Getting one consistent standard throughout angling.

 

Financial administration – if the funding is there it needs controlling and membership fees need managing for the organisation of the other parts of the equation.

 

Competitions should be self funding but seldom are, especially the international teams. So this area would take over all competition organisation from the existing GBs.

 

Development and training follows on from the work the JAGB has been doing with Sport4All and Sport England in developing child protection policies and accredited training schemes.

 

Sponsorship & co-operation – the international competition teams need sponsorship, the national competitions need sponsorship and there are many marketing opportunities which a good Governing Body would be looking to exploit for angling.

 

Yes the EA does send out a magazine, I think twice a year. The Governing Body also needs to talk to its members and may do that in conjunction with the EA or through a separate publication, whichever route was chosen it would need professional to produce it and sell the advertising space.

 

Legal services – I am assuming that ACA would be part of any single angling national body and those services presently from them would continue to be provided.

 

Neither EA nor ACA are campaigning bodies. SAA and NAFAC and to some extent the existing GBs campaign. A single body would have to campaign to seek proper representation of sea anglers on the EU Regional Advisory Committees under the Common Fisheries Policy, to close the door on illegal imports, to keep up pressure for research by EA and others into fish diseases, low invertebrate populations etc. etc.

 

Angling is affected by legislation from the British government, the EU and in the future may be from transnational organisations. All this need monitoring to ensure that legislation does not encompass angling unless it is designed to and if it does to ensure that angling’s voice is heard during the consultation period

 

That is a brief resume of what I meant and where I was coming from. It is just one person’s idea at the moment, but if we ever get the single angling governing body I hope it will look something like that.

 

Mike

[Dick Dastardly]

Thanks for your time Mike.You now have my vote!Your first priority though must be to let all the other anglers out there know!Not going to be easy.

[Brian Crawford]

Firstly, I would like to thank everyone contributing to such an interesting (for me anyway) discussion of what we have :confused: and what we may wish to see. Even if we have covered old ground, I feel it is still worth trying to fly the flag for innovation and perhaps radical thinking to move forward in the way our sport is administered and financed.

 

Just for the record, I believe all interested should visit the websites of members of the NAA to try to grasp our present situation and marry this to the thoughts of Lee, Mike, myself and others.

 

Firstly the National Angling Alliance, as a single entity, as far as I fathom have no website.

They(!) can be contacted at Fishmongers Chambers( ), 110 Upper Thames Street, London. EC4R 3TW and via E-mail at hq@natangler.org.uk.

 

The three National Joint Angling Governing Bodies (JAGB) are the National Federation of Anglers,

(NFA) www.nfadirect.com although it will cost £15 per year to access this site!

The National Federation of Sea Anglers (NFSA)

http://www.nfsa.org.uk (free and informative)

The Salmon & Trout Association (S&TA)

www.salmon-trout.org. (free and informative)

 

Then there are three other members of the NAA,

The National Association of Fisheries & Consultatives (NAFAC) www.nafac.co.uk (free and informative)

The Specialist Anglers Alliance (SAA)

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/saa (free and informative)

The Anglers Trade Association (ATA)

www.thesportslife.com/ata.htm (free and informative)

 

All six organisations have independent administrative frameworks and all allow individual membership.

 

Thus there is obviously 7, yes 7 different administrative bodies at a national level in angling. The JAGB's get Goverment funding, the others rely on subscriptions and fund raising - what a waste of money. :mad: It is mad :mad: to think of this vast (?) amount of money being spent when if there was just one National body funded, everything could be simplified and centralised around one sound administration and sub-committees. We could also then involve the ACA and the British Disabled Angling Association

http://www.bdaa.co.uk (which is a registered charity) and have all major angling concerns under the one system instead of the 7 (9) listed.

 

Brian

 

[ 27. November 2003, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: Brian Crawford ]