AndyY

same as the float paternoster 2 except use powergum for the rotten bottom(stops the float being pulled under as much) attatched to runring use a 4 oz weight. i dont use an uptrace instead opt for a 24" trace. if ur powergum to weight is longer than 24" say make it 30" u will then be fishing ur bait 2 and a half foot off the bottom. hook yer bait headfirst and strike at the earliest indication as a pike can swallow a bait on the spot when fished like this.

what kind of water sare u fishing? are u fishing from boat or bank? is there any wadable bays by this i mean larger areas where the water is around 4ft. what size are the pike in the water just an average will do.

Hi you could try fishing a float paternoster. line to trace. powergum stopknot-bead-inlinefloat-runring-bead-swivelclip-trace. tie a weight to the runring with powergum longer than ur trace use a 4oz weight and fish close to the bank with rodtip in air to hold the line up out the water. good luck

try injecting the lob with air and fish it ledgered so the worm floats like poppin up a pike bait

i put one in the daily record 24,1/2lb pike wish i hadnt. as i lied about the venue giving a venue i thought noone would go to,i knew the venue i named had some good sized doubles to be had. I was asked not to reveal the actual water the pike got caught in by the people who invited me. people went to the water i said but they also asked me for advice which i couldnt give them then i find out that more people probably knew of the big pike than people who actually knew of the water area i mentioned tbh i wish i just photographed it and kept my mouth shut. the lyin wasnt worth the rod n reel. thankfully i dont think the water seen any pressure that would effect its fishing but i daont know for certain.

what one is it andy ur pretty confusin there. in general silver fish fishin yes a spade end i do believe is better than an eyed hook for the number of bites anyway. will it work for carp i dont know maybe on heavily fished waters. need give it a try good question.

if you fish with rod tips up fish a sliding float paternoster set over depth as for the weeds dunno how to help wi them i would change swim personaly.

sounds like a great idea to me chopped up lobs, fish cant resist the smell but as you say not wantin to feed them 2 much i will try it soon whilst fishing a lob worm injected wi air will let u know how i get on. ucould also add a little cotton wool either side of it for pakin purposes.

Hi I dont think u would be to far off wi a marker float just depends the actual angle it comes up to the surface at. I know what u mean though it niggles at yer head eh not knowin. from what ive been reading 30-60ft seems a good area to cover there is a few fish caught deeper but i think the most are to 60ft. thanks very much for the repies on this and the other threads i think im about ready for some deepwater trollin bring on january. Also as no-one seems to have tried deep trwlin dawgs if it work with the dipsy i will let u know if it dont i will try wi just adding a big lead. why dont they make a trollin dawg just need one wi a big heavy head but still soft on the outside. cheers.

Thanks again for the clearly explained info this is invaluable at the moment. Pike fishing lazy aye right then amazing the amount of folk who believe this though think i'm about sorted with the questions for a bit but if anythin crops up i will be sure to ask thanks again

Hi thanks agin for the quick reply A downrigger does look simpler but at 200 quid i think i may try get some experiance with a dipsy first incase i dont stick with it Ive got to budget a bit as unfortunately im unemployed at the moment but i dont go to the pub or gamble so any money i can save goes to my fishin luckily the benefits we recieve these days makes this possible without havin to buy the nasty stuff. Just wondering if u have tried trolling either dawgs or magdawgs with a dipsy? does it work or does the dawg cause the dipsy to flip? I'm hopin to be ready for january gona try the moonphase this month n target feeding pike wi baits but want to be deepwater trollin next month. These are the rods I have been recommended from p&p forum Daiwa Wilderness 8 6"ft med heavy £31.20 or the 9'6". these look the biz to me and at a very reasonable price. Also what is the best way to notice a take when trolling as i usualy hold the rod what are u looking for when using rests do u set the drag do u watch the rod tip do you do both or can u attatch somethin at the reel like the elastic band idea for deadbaitin any tips at all I seen a trout salmon trollerman using like a bit of mild steel on a hinge to his boat with the line placed between a velcro strap n when he got a bite it pulled the line out only prob with this is it was his own boat so he couls permanently secure it on unfortunately im using hired boats. leadcore: what length are u usually adding does it make a significant difference i will be using 65 or 80lb powerpro can i use this straight through??? phew this just keeps throwin up more questions...Many thanks Andy

Hi thanks for the replies think for the deeper water I'm goin to try some trollin with one of they dipsydivers just need find a rod to suit now?????Budgie did you not have much success trolling 30ft as this was my next approach 30,35,40,45 n hopefully 50 just to cover the ranges we cant get baits to as we can only really anchor in 30ft water max. Just remember also Ive had pike in 35ft of water off the bottom at lomond totaly gone from my memory there. Has anyone any experience with a dipsydiver n do u think it would take a magdawg down.(should this be another thread?) Thanks again for the quick responses we only got 4 months a cold weather left i need to learn fast. noodle 90 ft now that scary u mustve had about 300ft of rope were u told the pike were there or did u just take a chance just it seems a lotta effort just to be takin a chance how long did u fish it was it 1 fish for a long time spent i.e more than a day session. or did u only fish it once and catch that fish. have u fished they depths again with any results?

ok so it winter time and the pike should be in deeper water but how deep? After blanking yeterday from 10ft of water to 50tf. I rarely fish deeper than 20ft btw. I'm just wondering what is the deepest uv had contact with a pike now this must have been on the bottom or the deepest uv had a float set. Mine is only 17ft but was floated over 70ft of water. So how deep do they go????

you dont know much about the water ur goin to fish i take from ur post so try what i say if it full of jacks it gona catch them if it full of big uns it will catch them also and if yer gettin to cold bring yer rods in and change swim if yer happy in that swim stick it out. look for a point in the land where it meets the water if there is one start there if not fish anywhere except extreme shallows at this time of year.

i take it one a the mods gona preview thi but 2 hours and a post still not up ive sent it again incase u didnt like the fact i told him to use any rod. if it normaly takes this long for all users i apologise but come on 4 pages of **** and still noone has told the lad how to fish. do peaople just enjoy readin their unuseable crap that is totaly away from the initial thread topic. my original post that ive sent twice yet it wasnt posted. In reply to ppost number 1. go buy urself some 18lb line, 4oz weights, 18" wire traces and some beads fish it running ledger. go to ur water and fish it as long as you can if u catch a pike great if not try another swim next day. like buses eh wait forever then get 3 at one time.