Trapper

Perhaps not 'whining' but they do have very elaborate symbolic memorials to mark their sacrifice, which in terms of lives lost was greater by far then any other group of nation.

Perhaps, but her mistake was to move from her usual postion of arguing with logic and supportive evidence to plain speaking in one step.

Yes, I know young people who have gone and they come from a range of social classes Your introduction of social stratification is a bit partonising, the working class hero position is a bit dated. In any case, perhaps it is precisely the middle class ones who should be made aware of that type of thing as they typically are the ones, some of them at least, who are likely to grow up to go into politics and become wielders of power.

What is the number of non-accidental gun deaths? where people have been shot deliberately.

I support a child in Mali through an organisation called plan international. We get letters from her translated by aid workers, can you assure me that I am being duped? Maybe as Mali is geographically at least closer to London, then it is to SA, you are in no better position to say than anyone else?

Me too, and it has what has moved me to register in here after years of just looking and reading (I wonder how many do that?) It's not just this thread, look at the jokes, I do. I'm surprized that the poster 'Emma 2' was so quickly censored, while lots of other stuff, which some are going to consider way more 'offensive' is left? I was waiting for her reply, but she seems either to have had enough, or maybe she has been blocked?

Hiya, I'm freshwater all rounder. I have been looking at this site for tips for a couple of years now, working on the 'never too old to learn principle (been fishing for along time). never felt the need to post...until now. Trapper