LAWS OF THE TROUT BRIGADE

[hunter]

I fish two rods on my local river clyde for pike,my pb is 19lb of good hard fighting river pike.It's controled by the salmon and trout brigade, who now say only one rod to be used per angler and you must have your hand on your rod at all times.They kill most of the pike they catch,i've seen it happen and i've seen dead pike rotting on the bank.

Do you think they want us off the water.lol

What happened to live and let live..........

[Dave Hill]

Hunter,

 

I think you've hit the nail on the head... your clearly not wanted there :mad: Insisting on one rod is bad enough but insisting on one hand being on the rod at all times is just plain silly... unless they are trying to invent rules to make all types of angling apart from their own just about impossible :mad:

[Alan Roe]

So why the whinging?? If you don't like the rules of the associations waters that you fish get together with a few like minded people and attend the AGMs and get elected onto the committee and change them.

 

It only requires a little dedication and a commitment to some hard work for a few years whilst you build up your majority......

 

The anti's have been doing it for years in various animal charities and it is now starting to pay off for them!

[Leon Roskilly]

hunter:

It's controled by the salmon and trout brigade, who now say only one rod to be used per angler and you must have your hand on your rod at all times.

I seem to remember that in Scotland, unless a rod is held, it is classified as a 'fixed engine' (ie a set line) and using a fixed engine is against the law. Put the rod in a rest and you are performing an illegal act in Scotland!

 

Set lines are used by poachers to illegally take salmon and trout which is why they are banned.

 

Most fisheries legislation in Scotland is there to protect and control the salmon and trout fishing and is not designed to take into account the needs of coarse fishermen.

 

(The same is gradually happening in England where fishery rules re bait, tackle, fishing practices etc are increasingly becoming carp centric and take no account of the needs of other thinking specialist/pleasure anglers.)

 

The year before last, I was fishing for mullet in the river at Ayr and was approached by someone claiming to be from the Salmon & Trout board (though he never showed authority). He seemed to think it unbelievable that anyone would want to fish for anything other than trout or salmon and really wasn't convinced when we showed him our light tackle.

 

I guess that there being two of us against the one of him, and the certainty that if we hooked a 'real' fish on that tackle, we would certainly loose it, had him deciding to leave us alone.

 

I got the definite feeling that he thought us either a couple of saddo idiots, and/or we were trying to pull the wool over his eyes!

 

(He could have been right on one of those counts!! - we were fishing for mullet!!)

 

Tight Lines - leon

[P@UL]

I sometimes get that sort of thing when I fish the Tyne. The Salmon and Trout Anglers think their so dam superior. Its a sort of I am a Salmon Angler so I must know more than you attitude.

 

In my opinion Trout are the most stupid of fish and very easy to catch. Unless you fly fish for them, that makes them much harder to catch?

 

But generaly I think the Trout and Salmon brigade in the UK, are probably the most narrow minded sector in angling. They exclude me from fisheries, they scoff at my methods, and they still persecute some species of coarse fish.

 

I must say I know quite a lot of game anglers and most are very nice people but the truth is that in angling terms they are a bit backwards.

 

Paul

[Alan Roe]

All I can ay is that you must have a strange breed of game angler over there in the North East.

 

This may come as a supprise to some but I am predominantly a game angler my main association is a reasonably exclusive operation and costs a few bob to get in. That is once you have successfully passed an interview.

 

Why is this so??? The main reason is to preserve as much of the beauty of the rivers as we can.

 

Lets be honest on waters where the general angling public has access the water is soon transformed into a rubbish tip.

 

Take a look at the banks of the popular match lengths of the Lancaster canal on any day of the week and it looks like the ouside of a chippy on a Sunday morning where all the bait wrappings have been left. The river Severn has simliar problems where angling's yob element leaves its tins, fag ends, tackle packets and other rubbish scattered around.

 

Game anglers are not prefect in this respect and tend to leave nylon line lying around.

 

However it is a good working generalisation that in clubs where exclusivity is maintained you tend to get a better class of person to begin with and those people are more likely to maintain the ethos of higher personal and sporting standards where this is the norm, further discipline is easier to mantain amongst such people.

 

The sad truth is that anglers are their own worst enemies in this respect and those who want to set and maintain high standards have to have in place some mechanisms to do so.

 

In all fairness to the association that I am a member of though coarse fishing is not regarded as a priority it is regarded as a fairly popular side issue and the coarse fish are looked after.

 

Yes some methods and baits are frowned on but this is in line with the sporting ethic of the club and is again done to maintain the sporting standards that are agreed by the members.

 

Speaking personally I have no problem with a one rod rule as I tend to fish rivers and my favourite method is trotting and I have as yet to meet the man that can handle two rods using this method!

 

This having been said I equally have no problem with using a couple of rods when carp fishing as it is entirely appropriate to that method of angling.

[Vagabond]

Like Alan, I am an all-rounder, fishing coarse, game, and sea. I'm probably happiest on a river with a fly rod in my hand, but Vagabond fly-fishing is the same bloke as Vagabond spinning for pike or free-lining for chub.

 

But snobbery exists - I fish a reservoir - sometimes for roach, sometimes for pike, and sometimes for rainbows.

 

When after roach or pike, there is sometimes a tackle and bag inspection to check we are not bringing in livebaits, or at the day's end, making off with illicit trout. That's OK by me, but......

 

The irony is, when I go there trout fishing, the same bailiff never searches my bag for worms or maggots, nor does he check that I am not making off with more than my trout limit. He even calls me "Sir" when selling me the ticket, as opposed to "Hey you" for coarse fishers.

 

Fortunately I am amused rather than annoyed.

 

BTW Alan, did anything happen re the litter on the Ribble I reported to you a while back?

 

[ 29 March 2002, 10:02 PM: Message edited by: Vagabond ]

[Eddie]

Vagabond:

 

 

 

When after roach or pike, there is sometimes a tackle and bag inspection to check we are not bringing in livebaits,

Is the use of live baits for Roach very productive on the waters you fish? Would you reccomend the use of wire or will mono be enough?

[Vagabond]

Eddie, the bailiff doesn't "know" somebody with a swim-feeder out is definitely roach-fishing - similar gear could be used for legering tiny livebaits brought in from elsewhere for (say) perch - I'm not against such check-ups, just amused that trout fishers don't seem to be subject to them.