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Only playing devils advocate :D

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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Yes, you can fish in such a way that can result in catching both species in the same session, but if you target one or the other you will do a few things differently, and they will make a huge difference to the numbers of the target species caught.

 

PS I think it's very interesting that Ken has fished the lake only once, and caught a bream first time. Either that's a massive fluke or he knows exactly how to target them! And if he can do it, maybe so can the rest of us given time and practice.

 

First point yes I totally agree its not that you wont catch tench when targeting bream but you certainly catch many many more when you set your stall out for them.

 

Second, Yes it is a shame Kens not going to be able to fish much this year as I to would love to know if it was a fluke or it can be done.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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On most waters I have fished "my style" of fishing would see mixed bags of both, granted they would be shoal sized fish and not specimen fish and if Carp were present I would expect the odd one to get caught as well.

 

 

But on these waters would you have/did you catch more of the target fish if you specialised more? or did it make no difference?

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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Alex has had the most bream and he normally fishes for them.

 

Now the only exceptions (I think) are Rich Capper and Rob Ward.Im not sure if they caught their bream intentionally,while tenching or (moree likely) while trying a more "universal" style aproach, BUT Im fairly sure their bream came after/during a lull in any tench catches.

 

Talking of "lulls" in the tench. This seems a lot more common than catching bream along side tench.Toms bream came after a few days of him and Glyn hammering the tincas then it all going quiet for some time

 

I caught my first bream during an AN fishin, at the time I was hoping for tench AND bream (using long drops I might add :P ). One spot was a productive tench spot, the other as it turned out the bream spot. Later when talking to Alex it seems the way I fish is very similar to how he fishes for bream.

 

Since then I now (try to!) target bream. In this way everything I do is (in theory) designed to maximize the chance of catching bream. I definitely think you can target the tench, based on feeding, depth and type of bottom. When targeting the bream it is almost impossible to avoid tench completely but I really think you can enhance your chances of catching a bream. Since doing this whilst I still catch plenty of tench I don't seem to catch as many big ones as others, even from the same swims!

 

It's not black and white though, fish for tench and you may catch bream, fish for anything and you'll catch tench, subtle differences can translate in to big changes in catches. Alex for example has caught lots, others none and bream per rod hour varies massively for different anglers. If it wasn't possible to improve or diminish you chances of catching them, the numbers would be much more even. If only I knew the magic formula.

 

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Second, Yes it is a shame Kens not going to be able to fish much this year as I to would love to know if it was a fluke or it can be done.

 

Did you talk to Ken last season Budgie? I was lucky enough to be there when he had his one session and he blew my mind. As it happens I think there was an element of luck that led to him catching that bream (and I don't think he'd mind me saying that) but when you see what he's caught from so many hard waters, you really do believe it's possible. In fact for the few weeks after I met him I thought I'd never fish for the bream again as the mystery had gone. It soon came back though ;)

 

I doubt there are many real bream specialists out there, most of the people who have a go seem to be all rounders who happen to have access to a decent water and fancy giving it a go. But I would class Ken as a proper big bream specialist. The effort that goes into avoiding/feeding off/upsetting other species so that his baited spot is left solely for the bream is really, really impressive. As is the amount of preparation and ground work that goes into the campaign before actually fishing. As I said before, there was a bit of luck involved that night (you probably know about it) but he knew for a fact the bream would be there. How often can we say that!

And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music

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I think if Ken could fish it properly, he'd have both the most bream and the biggest bream (and possibly a British record) within 5 years. He is on another level!

And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music

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But on these waters would you have/did you catch more of the target fish if you specialised more? or did it make no difference?

 

I'm not that good an angler to target one over the other, my approach for both is almost the same. The only pattern I could ever work out was that the Bream in general favoured open water and distance but saying that both I and Jedibond used to be members of a pit with deep margins and mild angling pressure and the Bream could be caught in the margins at night but still mixed in with Tench. My PB Bream of 10lb came in a session on that water and was mixed with 4 to 5lb Bream and Tench. As you can see by my PB I don't have big Bream experience and so it's easy to come up with theories sitting at a keyboard without any Big Bream experience to back it up :D But all my Tench/Bream fishing have been one and the same, a bit of a one trick pony :D

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Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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I noticed a similar thing when fishing a local gravel pit last season, trying out a few things for Wingham. If I ever fished 2 different spots, in daylight the closest one would pick up tench and the furthest one would get hammered by bream (shoal bream averaging 5-6lb). Once the sun went down, the bream would move close in and both spots would start picking up bream.

 

BTW an 10lb bream is still a very big fish. My PB before I fished Wingham was 7lb 8oz. PBs don't tell you how good you are at fishing. I know for a fact there are thousands of people who are way better at bream fishing than me who have a smaller PB. Pounds and ounces mean very little IMHO...

 

EDIT: in terms of percentages, a 10lb bream is the equivalent of a 30lb+ carp, or a 2lb roach, or a 3lb perch.

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BTW an 10lb bream is still a very big fish. My PB before I fished Wingham was 7lb 8oz. PBs don't tell you how good you are at fishing. I know for a fact there are thousands of people who are way better at bream fishing than me who have a smaller PB. Pounds and ounces mean very little IMHO...

 

EDIT: in terms of percentages, a 10lb bream is the equivalent of a 30lb+ carp, or a 2lb roach, or a 3lb perch.

 

I guess you can only catch the fish that are in the waters that you have access too. But my more unusual Big Bream Theories are based on not actually catching them :D The 4 to 9lb bracket is my more usual stamp of fish.

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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It will be very interesting to see how my tactics I use for large Broads Bream translate at Wingham if I get to go. Large for me is anything over 5lbs btw.

I have a feeling I may only catch Tench from the above comments. What a shame lol, not many Tench on the Broads so a novelty fish for me.

I also look forward to chatting with people on the bank and hopefully taking back some new ways to target various fish species.

Hopefully see you there.

 

Renrag

This Years' Targets:- As many species by lure as possible. Preferably via Kayak. 15lb+ Pike on Lure...

Species Caught 2012- Pike, Perch.

Kayak Launches- Fresh-8 Salt- 0

Kayak Captures- 14 Pike, 1 Perch.

 

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