More and bigger fish

[barry luxton]

here we have a link with a promise of more and bigger fish if we toe the party line and work with our europeon collegues in amending the cfp that has lost it's way somewhat. Of course there is counter argument from someone who is not so confident of success. Hope you enjoy.

 

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Edited November 14, 2012 by barry luxton

[robtherake]

here we have a link with a promise of more and bigger fish if we toe the party line and work with our europeon collegues in amending the cfp that has lost it's way somewhat. Of course there is counter argument from someone who is not so confident of success. Hope you enjoy.

 

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It's all a bit scary, Barry. The fisheries are going to pot while we squabble over who get's what. The real issue - that there won't be owt left to catch without better management - seems to be overlooked.

 

 

Impact of unsustainable trawling - UNEP

[seafoods]

It's all a bit scary, Barry. The fisheries are going to pot while we squabble over who get's what. The real issue - that there won't be owt left to catch without better management - seems to be overlooked.

 

 

Impact of unsustainable trawling - UNEP

 

Load of ****s, after a scroll down through it I can say that, god knows what somebody who really knows their stuff would make of it. Ask them how these large vessels from other countries manage to sneak into the 'traditional fishing grounds' of communities without a) - being seen by someone from the community or being picked up on AIS.

[robtherake]

Load of ****s, after a scroll down through it I can say that, god knows what somebody who really knows their stuff would make of it. Ask them how these large vessels from other countries manage to sneak into the 'traditional fishing grounds' of communities without a) - being seen by someone from the community or being picked up on AIS.

 

I thought their angle was more about the cumulative environmental damage, rather than apportioning individual blame.

[Phone]

Rob,

 

I agree. The only example I can make, because I'm a dirt farmer, is this. We used to harvest 50 bushel of corn per acre. Now we harvest 250 bushel. It comes at a price.

 

Phone

[seafoods]

I thought their angle was more about the cumulative environmental damage, rather than apportioning individual blame.

 

 

In their eyes, depending on their agenda - winter gales do no damage to the environment in shallow water? The environment changes on a regular basis, if this trawling is so unsustainable how come there is anything left - areas of seabed have been trawled for the best part of 100 years, seems reasonably sustainable to me. If they are destroying the seabed as some of these eco-zealots allege why do the fish keep going back there, some trawlers work the same grounds frequently, if they are destroying it there would be no point in going back to the same place.

[Bob Shotter]

In their eyes, depending on their agenda - winter gales do no damage to the environment in shallow water? The environment changes on a regular basis, if this trawling is so unsustainable how come there is anything left - areas of seabed have been trawled for the best part of 100 years, seems reasonably sustainable to me. If they are destroying the seabed as some of these eco-zealots allege why do the fish keep going back there, some trawlers work the same grounds frequently, if they are destroying it there would be no point in going back to the same place.

 

Most know about Newfoundland and the Grand Banks Cod collapse but few talk about the Baltic Cod collapse, not to mention how close it came to a similar Cod collapse in the North Sea. Then like now there was not a problem according to the fishermen who worked those grounds, now is that the truth or is that just propaganda? Source “Silent Seas by Isabella Lovin”

[barry luxton]

Load of ****s, after a scroll down through it I can say that, god knows what somebody who really knows their stuff would make of it. Ask them how these large vessels from other countries manage to sneak into the 'traditional fishing grounds' of communities without a) - being seen by someone from the community or being picked up on AIS.

 

 

North sea e u cod take: Scotland 25%

 

rest of the u k 12%

 

Regarding lawn mowing, it's difficult to determin if foul weather or scalloping activity for example, is the reason for shorelines to be carpeted in cuttings, as happens periodiclly.

 

ahh, this might help, i also have found some juicy e u rsa illegal captures where nets are used as opposed to rod and line, for balance, baltic sea cod fishing is interesting reading. :

 

In nearly all fisheries that have a restricted quota, where controls are not tight and punishment

does not work as a deterrent, exceeding the allocation seems common. With clear

information scarce (for obvious reasons), illegal cod landings are likely to be common in

all Baltic countries. In 2001, for instance, the Danish fish processing company Espersen

was caught using cod fished illegally in the Baltic Sea. The company was fined Û 134,000.

Espersen was caught again red handed in early 2006, this time receiving illegal cod from

the Barents Sea. In the latter case, Espersen claimed to have been ignorant of the true

origin of the cod, and it was not charged.24

In 2006, ICES “Baltic Fisheries Assessments Working Group” listed 3 different, countryspecific

factors for converting official landings into actual landings, ranging from 1 (no

illegal catches), to 1.5 and 2 (illegal catches of half or the same volume as legal catches).

ICES did not indicate which factors were to be used for which country, but clearly indicated

through its very detailed proceedings that illegal, unreported catches are not restricted to

just one country, but are widespread across the region.25

According to many stakeholders in the fisheries sector, the worst offenders are to be found

in Poland. The huge fleet has reacted badly to its reduced legally allocated quota, responding

with illegal fishing

Edited November 24, 2012 by barry luxton

[seafoods]

Most know about Newfoundland and the Grand Banks Cod collapse but few talk about the Baltic Cod collapse, not to mention how close it came to a similar Cod collapse in the North Sea. Then like now there was not a problem according to the fishermen who worked those grounds, now is that the truth or is that just propaganda? Source “Silent Seas by Isabella Lovin”

 

 

Depends who you want to believe really, stocks rising over the last few years, much stricter controls on illegal landings - last two years actual landings below ICES recommendations - doesn't seem much like your author's version. http://www.sustainablefish.org/fisheries-i...fish/baltic-cod

[wurzel]

Most know about Newfoundland and the Grand Banks Cod collapse but few talk about the Baltic Cod collapse, not to mention how close it came to a similar Cod collapse in the North Sea. Then like now there was not a problem according to the fishermen who worked those grounds, now is that the truth or is that just propaganda? Source “Silent Seas by Isabella Lovin”

 

Hello Bob

 

Most only know what they have been told (Brain washed) about the Grand Banks cod fishery, few talk about the fact that cod have returned to the Grand Banks to about 70 to 80 % of previous levels, fishermen say even more. these mature fish appeared more or less over night baffling scientist as to where they came from. Few talk about the fact that the Grand Banks cod fishery has declined (I refuse to use the word collapsed) several times in it's history, generally every 50 or 60 years, as for the North Sea there never has been a stable cod fishery that's why the UK fleet fished Iceland and Norway waters for cod.

Stock fluctuations are not a problem for fishermen, they change and adapt as generally while one stock goes down another increases it's the way it's always been, another little known fact is that the weight of biodiversity stays the same. It only becomes a problem when management gets involved and don't forget Bob the management industry is huge and much more lucrative than the fishing industry.

so is writing books like The End of the Line and Silent Seas.