Found this by accident.(upsetting to some)

[Lid]

Have a look round the smaller farms in the remoter areas of scotland and wales. Many farmers here are giving up altogether. Small farmers now have little chance of making a living.

 

Many farmers, big or small, driving Landrovers use these vehicles as a tool of the trade, not as luxury! And of course there is money in land if you own it, so some farmers sell off chunks of the countryside for building, which brings in some extra cash.

[corydoras]

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Originally posted by Lid:

Actually Chris it does not have to be like this. We can still eat animal products and not accept these kinds of things.

 

It is simply human greed that makes people intensively rear animals like this and treat them so badly. My grandfather and his forefathers were farmers. He abhorred cruelty to animals of any kind.

I agree with you 100%. I was brought up on a fairly large mixed farm in Scotland. We raised Scottish Black-Faced sheep, beef cattle, and pigs. There was also a small herd of Jerseys for milk, (we used to drink it raw and it was like nectar). We grew barley, oats, hay, turnips and silage for winter feed. We also kept hens, ducks and geese, but not commercially, just for eggs and the pot.

 

The people who worked on these kind of farms would find this treatment abhorrent. My grandfather, a shepherd on a neighbouring farm once pole-axed a contract clipper for being 'too rough' on one of 'his' ewes.

 

...castration and docking, but if this is done when the animals are very young, then I don't have a problem with this myself.

Beef has to be castrated. Cows you see, are not on the whole not much good to eat. Most of the meat you seen in the shops is from stirks (steers if your on the east side of The Pond). You cannot keep 'heards' of bulls together as they would fight and can be difficult to handle. They are therefore castrated when young,using rubber rings. This makes them much more docile. It does not seem to distress them too much at all. They flinch a wee bit when the ring is first applied, but are soon back to normal. Their testicles fall of about 10 days afterwards.

 

Although I don't like PETA, I see nothing wrong with showing things how they are. I don't think this is throat ramming and should instead make us change the laws on animal production.

 

Again, I concurr.

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[ 29. March 2004, 12:31 AM: Message edited by: corydoras ]

[Chris Goddard]

What I meant by the statement that is how it is was that people are like that, I myself do not agree with all that goes on by a long chalk!! I've "Knocked" rabbits and pulled a few chickens in my time. Good god, I've eaten pet rabbits before today!! They are at the end of the day animals, how much you care for them is down to the individual? But speaking personally, no iw ould treat them better myself, of course I would!!

As to cheap burgers and sossidges ever heard of MRM?? That's "Mechanically Recovered Meat" to you an I!! That's tissue (Can't call it meat, it's such as cartiledge, sinew and other delights!) which is recovered from animal carcasses by use of steam and high pressuer water jets!! Lovely!! YUM, YUM, NOT!!

 

Chris

[corydoras]

Chris Goddard:

 

As to cheap burgers and sossidges ever heard of MRM?? That's "Mechanically Recovered Meat" to you an I!! That's tissue (Can't call it meat, it's such as cartiledge, sinew and other delights!) which is recovered from animal carcasses by use of steam and high pressuer water jets!! Lovely!! YUM, YUM, NOT!!

 

Chris

Then it is put in a thing like a huge cement mixer with tons of steel balls in it to get it to a consitunecy like pink toothpaste!

[Chris Goddard]

Mmmmmmmm!! Pass the bread and a knife please!! Even Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall wouldn't stoop that low!!

 

 

Chris

[Guest Ferret1959]

You think the toothpaste food is bad?

You wanna try what I have to live on.

 

[ 29. March 2004, 01:05 AM: Message edited by: Ferret1959 ]

[Jim Roper]

Why just stop eating processed food?

 

Let the women stay home and cook properly.

 

 

OOOOPPPPPSSSSS!!!! That's done it!

[Guest Ferret1959]

Jim Roper:

Why just stop eating processed food?

 

Let the women stay home and cook properly.

 

 

OOOOPPPPPSSSSS!!!! That's done it!

Is that still possible??????

I think the handed down cooking lessons must have missed a gereration with my ex-wife.