frodo_uk

I think shaun's on the right track here and the most likely answer to your question is as others have said. The hook is simply dislodged when the fish is flaping around in your net and the tension is removed, so the hook is shaken free. In my experience the hook popping out in the net is more common with barbless hooks than with barbed adding weight to this theory. Also as others have said wether the hook is shook free also depends on its secureness in the mouth and the tissue is is embedded in. This is only my opinion but it seems likely enough to me.

Well I see the post has sparked some interesting debate. I realised from the off that the line was almost certainly not discarded as reported in the telegraph but more likely in the water from a snap off. particularly as the hook was still attached, but i thought i'd let you guys discuss that one (makes for a better discussion) This does not of course ease the swans suffering any. but it is as some say sometimes unavoidable. It certainly does drive home the importance of traces. In answer to elton, although what you say is right about other animals being killed elton it has little relevace here. the other areas do not get turned into properganda, ours does, its not right but their it is. and if we can take a responsible approach to this and even if our efforts stop just a handful of birds suffering , then that can't be a bad thing can it. the problem is no-one wants to see birds end up like this, on the other hand nobody wants to give up their fishing.....I wonder what the solution might be. finally although this might have been less "careless" as the paper may have us believe it cannot be denied that there is still a small group of people who discard their line in an reckless manner. this type of discussion and any thing that helps bring awareness to this problem and any chances of improving situations like this can only be a good thing. steve walker i to have seen a hedgehog try pulling on a hand brush at my house ...trying to take it back to its nest. I have caught a juvenile duck in its leg , caught it and realeased it no worse for wear after it had dived down and pick up my line.....(lesson learned by the way i will be alot more careful next time) I dont know you do I .... spooky

derby evening telegraph Take a look at this sorry story... why oh why oh why do people insist on discarding line on the ground/in the water.. instead of taking in home with them or disposing of it properly? Glad to say that tonight the bird was captured at freed of its torment.

Oh that old chestnut... just tie the other end of string to ya pole

first may I say congrats elton on the new improved site .....I like it alot! And secondly I absolutely support more women joining our sport... http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/forums/index.p...c=3309&hl=women

Antique, hallmarked, solid silver sugar cube tongs worthy of david dickenson himself (would probably sell for a small fortune on bargain hunt). perfect for grabbing slimy slugs lol. [ 13. October 2005, 11:15 PM: Message edited by: frodo_uk ]

thx everyone, for the advice and links. the links are very interesting and i will follow them up in due course. The advice on the argos gear seems clear enough, so wont be buying from their this time. Totally understand where sportsmans coming from about the second hand gear as well ...see you all soon I hope ...tight lines.

A close friend and myself would like to try our hands at fly fishing. We both experienced in coarse fishing but have absolutlely no experience of flyflishing. So I have two questions. 1. I am in derby, does anyone know of anywhere reasonably nearby that could show us the ropes for a reasonable price? 2. I've seen argos are now selling fly rods and the basic essentials...some of the coarse gear in the past has been less than adequate i.m.o but more recently they have improved there standardsso basically what i'm asking is, is the tackle up to scratch? Any help and advice greatly appreciated.thx.

Ah I see now .... doh!

quote: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by frodo_uk: One of the statistics gathered by the R.L.S.S.... 80% of all drownings alcohol related. A sobering thought. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 92.3% of the alcohol related drowning deaths were no loss to the human gene pool. I know its probably just me being a thicko ( i get used to it ) but i don't get that sentence newt :confused:

quote: We have a smaller cousin of the masheer in England , called the barbel, pound for pound it's arguably the stongest fighting fish in our quote: Nah! caught both, barbel will outscore a rainbow every time. Didn't think there was barbel north of the border anyway. The 'arguably' was to appease the carpers but didn't really mean it !! Pound for pound , lets not forget the gudgeon... they scrap like anything for such a little fish imagine how a 10lb gudgeon would go lol

I used to be a lifesaving instructor for the royal lifesaving society. One of the statistics gathered by the R.L.S.S.... 80% of all drownings alcohol related. A sobering thought. [ 28. September 2005, 07:27 PM: Message edited by: frodo_uk ]

jobs a gudgeon

Hi judy, cant say how sorry i am about your loss . I got spares for most things if you desperate for anything give me a nudge if i got a spare one ... its yours

quote: guaranteed fish,I can guarantee fish no problem, but i cant promise you'll catch one

quote: Bream like maggots sprayed with it, read that somewhere can't remember where though! Brings a whole new meaning to oily fish

quote: Go to a fishery that has lots of silver fish (roach etc) and have fun! This is also great advice, fishing for carp is great fun but can mean playing the waiting game. If your feeling dispondent and need a confidence booster tackle up with three or four pound line eighteen hooks and do some maggot bashing with the silver fish (roach chub bream dace perch ect) it'll inspire you to continue on to greater things and give you much needed experience. all the above applys exactly the same.

Hi bbigbbob and may i start by saying welcome to anglers net. As you have already discovered we're a freindly bunch and always eager to help beginners (we all were once) so keep asking away put the advice into practice and you'll soon be able to show us all your first uk catch.Take a camera with you Now to your plumbing question... first you need a plummet. these come either in a clip on form or a cone shape with an eye at the top to thread your hook and line through and a strip of cork on the bottom to push your hook into. both are made from lead or a heavy metal. So with your plummet on the hook you cast your float in (no weights on yet just hold your float in place with float rubbers). If your float sinks you are not fishing deep enough, if your float lies flat (unless its a self cocking float (weight already on it))then you are too deep. the idea is that your float sits upright in the water with just the the tip showing. now you are exactly on the bottom. reel in, set your weights, and robert is truly your mothers brother.

Hello poacher allow me to be amongst the hoards of others that will no doubt be welcoming to the site....you see we're a friendly lot...as you will no doubt soon discover. welcome aboard.

nice to see I'm not on my own but I have to say that I'm surprised this thread hasn't attracted more of a responce. I guess its more of an exception than the rule. [ 06. September 2005, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: frodo_uk ]

nice to see I'm not on my own but I have to say that I'm surprised this thread hasn't attracted more of a responce. I guess its more of an exection than a rule.

yup, steves right, rods and sticks tied securly to your cross bar and nets and other stuff either on a rear rack or panier (if using a rack then bungees may help and a rucksack if requird to hold more stuff. the point about nothing over the shoulder cant be to strongly made. When i used to cycle to my spot I had to cycle over a very steep humpback bridge. to my dismay i found that one day as i was struggling up the incline the seat box that i had strapped over my shoulder swung around jamming itself at my side and made it impossible to get my elbow past my body.i.e unable to steer the bike. the consquence of this was as i ground to a halt the bike fell over with me going down with it on to a busy road. I was very lucky not to have been hit. lesson learned I never did that again. other than that though its not to much trouble and its a enjoyable means of transport and ideal for roving around with to.. tight lines.

cheers paul, very insightful.

bloomin' eck' ... who'd have thought a thread on argos would turn out 53 responses and counting over two pages? it's nearly as big as their catalogue.

ahha... it all makes sense suddenly. thank you zenith.