My first carp.....well 3 of them.

[Andy Macfarlane]

Caught on the new quiver on 5 hair-rigged pineapple pellets. It's not a monster but I was chuffed to bits anyway. I had 3 all in to the same method. I had several bites but I had been fishing a sliding leger and my reactions weren't up to scratch so I swapped to a bolt-rig and hey presto. 3 fish in short succession.

 

 

 

 

Hehe....I didn't get my Tench but who cares? I had a great laugh.....

 

 

 

....Andy....

[Peter M]

Good for you Andy. nice fish and good angling.

[mjbarnes12]

not just a carp that is an F1 carp by the looks!!

[wayne baker]

Nice one Andy. Make a nice livo.

[Guest tigger]

I suppose they make a change from your usual toothy critters.... a bit different eh ? Well done Andy, keep at it and you should get your Tinca.

[Angly]

Carp fishing eh? It's a slippery slope you know, no turning back...

 

What are the identifying features of an F1 carp anyway (yes yes, I know they accelerate and corner better )?

[mjbarnes12]

Carp fishing eh? It's a slippery slope you know, no turning back...

 

What are the identifying features of an F1 carp anyway (yes yes, I know they accelerate and corner better )?

 

More brown colouring, especially the fins.

No barbules

Their mouths aren't as or at all telescopic

They are fully scaled with a lateral line across the middle

They are often more rounded in shape

[Andy Macfarlane]

If no barbules makes a carp an F1 then they aren't. I was showing Andy_1984 the 2 larger ones and the 2 teeny ones almost hidden away in the top lip fold and they can most definitely do the pout. They also croak too which is kinda cute.

 

Mind you, my other mate Dave, who did a lot of fishing for carp when he lived in Holland told me he thought they were F1s on Wednesday though so I'll have to ask the man with the hat on. They do get to a fair old size mind you. There's a few big doubles kicking around.

 

Yesterday, it was scorching and there were literally hundreds of carp taking the mickey out of just about everyone on the place and the fact I caught one at all was supposed to be doing alright. Yesterday's one and only fish was double white maggot under a loaded waggler that did the trick and I suppose that could be classed as my first stalked fish because I saw it swim past and intercepted it which seemed a bit like cheating for some reason.

 

Coming to think about it, the fish caught on Wednesday were from a different pond so maybe Wednesday's fish were F1s and yesterdays was a regulation common.

 

Don't ask me what any of them weighed. I'll wait for proper lump first.

 

I don't know. Ask me something about pike.....

[Angly]

No barbules? Thought that was just crucians, and the identifying feature of crucian crosses (such as F1s) is that they DO have barbules (albeit small)?

[poledark]

Lifted from another site...............

 

"The 'F1's that have been sold for the last 6 years or so are most likely to be brown goldfish crossed with carp - Pete M's fish appears to be one of these judging by the tail shape, height of the dorsal and length of the pelvic fins. As far as interaction with other species - they tend to be stocked in high densities in commercials and are claimed to feed well in the winter and they don't affect other species directly as they are infertile hybrids between two different genuses. That particular breeder doesn't include F1's on his list this year. The term 'F1' was used as a marketing ploy - An 'F1' hybrid is merely a first cross between two different species.

 

F2's were originally marketed by the same breeder as 'KHV resistent, all female fish that grow faster than other carp - claims that are yet to be substantiated. The fish were reportedly imported from Israel as fingerlings and grown on. These fish appeared on the market around three years ago.

 

I have a pic of a true crucian x carp hybrid, but don't know how to get it on here as it is just a file and I am being asked for it's URL ??? These hybrids can be common scaled or mirror scaled depending on the parent fish and no claims are made regarding disease resistance or suitability as 'winter feeders'. In fact, the fish appear to feed very little in the winter."

 

Regarding growth rates of carp, 3lb/year is normal, 6lb/year fairly common.

 

Den

Edited May 31, 2009 by poledark