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Ah yes I think you may be right Ajay.Ive not fished Christchurch Harbour despite its reputation as an excellent Mullet venue so didn't realise quite how "non harbour" and "not so salty" it indeed is! A bit of research and chatting with a few mullet mates has enlightened me a bit more!

 

Second paragraph of the document highlighting the reasons for these restrictions refers to "sea trout, bass and mullet". No mention of coarse fish.

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Nice to see mention of the "trillions of mullet" etc. in there. The National Mullet Club seemed to think they were in decline :thumbs:

 

As for the visiting anglers who "...are estimated to contribute more than £5 million to the Christchurch economy with bed and breakfast, food and drink and angling related purchases also benefiting," they'd better adjust that figure downwards somewhat for the next few years. What incentive is there to visit now?

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Nice to see mention of the "trillions of mullet" etc. in there. The National Mullet Club seemed to think they were in decline :thumbs:

 

Thin-lips appear in big shoals, especially early in the season (and Christchurch Harbour is a good place to spin for them).

 

The big 'resident' thick lips, of most interest to NMC members, will be 15 or more years old (it takes mullet around 10 years to reach breeding age at around 3lbs), and it's these specimen sized fish which have been declining. (A specimen-sized 7lber taken for the pot will take nature many years to replace, rather than becoming a possible fish of a lifetime 8 or 9lber in just a few more years if it's released)

 

As for the visiting anglers who "...are estimated to contribute more than £5 million to the Christchurch economy with bed and breakfast, food and drink and angling related purchases also benefiting," they'd better adjust that figure downwards somewhat for the next few years. What incentive is there to visit now?

 

 

It's mainly game, coarse and mullet anglers who visit the fishery, and they mostly practice catch and release (think how much anglers spend visiting the Timsbury and Lower-Itchen fisheries, it's much the same kind of angler who heads down to fish at Christchurch).

 

There are sea-fish in the harbour, but it's not the kind of place I'd head to to do some typical sea-fishing.

 

Light tackle and the chance of catching big river carp, or large dace, (and perhaps hooking into a sea-trout or maybe a salmon) when trotting the flow for a pb mullet is the great attraction of the place.

 

If its fish-fillets I'm after, there are plenty of much better marks along the coast there for that type of fishing.

 

Hopefully the elimination of poaching will improve the quality of the fishery which will encourage more anglers to visit, increasing their contribution to the economy.

 

(Actually it would be a great place to organise an AN fish-in, for something a bit different, though it would appeal most to the residents of the coarse fishing forum, rather than the sea-anglers).

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If its fish-fillets I'm after, there are plenty of much better marks along the coast there for that type of fishing.

 

Hopefully the elimination of poaching will improve the quality of the fishery which will encourage more anglers to visit, increasing their contribution to the economy.

 

 

Improve it for who, the elitest few, all others will do as we tell you.

 

So what about all this poaching then Leon, are these people telling us that poachers have been winkling the mullet and bass out from the fresh water stuff then and the baliffs on site? Is this happening on the basis of a lie?

 

Don't hear of it happening elsewhere?

 

According to this guy, there ain't or never was a problem. Who is offering bull and or who is lying. Were is the evidence? Didn't see it amoung the nmc figures yet they have said it is?

 

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I've fished these waters since I was a boy (sh"t, that long)...As Dan says, the Carp are there in numbers, We've seen 5.. 20lb fish under the boat at one time while spinning for Mullet, in 3 feet of water......I've caught Dace, Roach and Sea Trout on Trotted bread well down the Harbour....you can catch Bass to double figures...you'll see the odd 3' Salmon jump in front of you now and again.....and the Mullet shoals on a summers dawn, you can almost walk across....

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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So what about all this poaching then Leon, are these people telling us that poachers have been winkling the mullet and bass out from the fresh water stuff then and the baliffs on site? Is this happening on the basis of a lie?

 

If it is, then the controlling club members need to challenge it at their AGM.

 

The money for the increased bailffing to halt the poaching is going to be coming out of their pockets

 

The Agreement includes increased commitment to anti-poaching measures and in addition to our own bailiffs there will be a Bournemouth and West Hampshire employed bailiff, which RDAA is contributing to the cost of.

 

As it is, the members seem to be over the moon that the club has secured the rights to the fishery.

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halt the poaching

 

This is what i'm having difficulty with Leon. Apart from the evidence, i was not aware that the taking of mullet and bass was classed as poaching? Is there something in the local sfc by-laws regarding this. I will try and have a look for it.

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Improve it for who, the elitest few, all others will do as we tell you.

 

That's how most fresh-water clubs who issue day-tickets to fish their waters operate (and many other clubs do control tidal stretches of water).

 

And most clubs do have rules to preserve and improve their fisheries.

 

Labelling it 'elitist' is an emotive argumental device that might inflame passions, but hey! that's how it works in the real world :)

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halt the poaching

 

This is what i'm having difficulty with Leon. Apart from the evidence, i was not aware that the taking of mullet and bass was classed as poaching? Is there something in the local sfc by-laws regarding this. I will try and have a look for it.

 

This isn't the open sea.

 

It's a club water.

 

The controlling club and/or the fishery owner sets the rules as to who can fish there, and what they can do with their catch.

 

Anyone fishing on the waters without permission and removing fish contrary to the rules of the club and/or fishery owners is poaching.

 

It's got nothing whatsover to do with the SFC!

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Has someone introduced bass and mullet then? :)

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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