What are they

[Eddie]

Bitterling?

Pumpkinseed?

Silver bream?

Grass Carp?

[Peter Sharpe]

Barbel

BLACK BASS (possibly)

Bleak

Bream

Brown Trout

Bullhead

BULLHEAD CATFISH

Carp

Char

Chub

Crucian Carp

Dace

Eel

FLOUNDER

Grayling

Gudgeon

Ide

LAMPERN

Lamprey

Minnow

MULLET

Orfe

Perch

Pike

Powan

PUMPKINSEED

Rainbow Trout

Roach

Rudd

Ruffe

Salmon

Schelly

Silver Bream

Spined Loach

THREE SPINED Stickleback

Stone Loach

Sturgeon

Tench

TEN SPINED STICKLEBACK

Vendace

Wels Catfish

Zander

[Newt]

Do you happen to know (of the foreign imports) if they were speaking of large, viable populations?

 

I do understand that some channel catfish and largemouth bass have been introduced but aren't thriving.

[davidP]

This is highly unlikely to format right - I wish I knew how to ensure white space wasnt removed!

 

UK Name Also called Family Scientific Name Status

Barbel Cyprinidae Barbus barbus native

Bitterling Amur Bitterling Cyprinidae Rhodeus sericeus introduced

Black bullhead Ictaluridae Ameiurus melas introduced

Bleak Cyprinidae Alburnus alburnus native

Brown bullhead Miller's thumb Cottidae Cottus gobio native

Channel catfish Ictaluridae Ictalurus punctatus introduced

Char Alpine char Salmonidae Salvelinus alpinus native

Chub Cyprinidae Leuciscus cephalus native

Common bream Cyprinidae Abramis brama native

Common carp Cyprinidae Cyprinus carpio introduced

Common whitefish Schelly / Powan / Gwyniad Salmonidae Coregonus lavaretus native

Crucian carp Cyprinidae Carassius carassius introduced

Dace Cyprinidae Leuciscus leuciscus native

Eel Common eel / European eel Anguillidae Anguilla anguilla native

European brook lamprey Brook Lamprey Petromyzontidae Lampetra planeri native

European river lamprey Lampern Petromyzontidae Lampetra fluviatilis native

Goldfish Cyprinidae Carassius auratus introduced

Grass carp Cyprinidae Ctenopharyn godonidellus introduced

Grayling Salmonidae Thymallus thymallus native

Gudgeon Cyprinidae Gobio gobio native

Gwyniad Salmonidae Coregonus pennantii native

Houting Salmonidae Coregonus oxyrinchus native

Largemouth bass Centrarchidae Micropterus salmoides introduced

Minnow Eurasian minnow Cyprinidae Phoxinus phoxinus native

Motherless Minnow Belica Cyprinidae Leucaspius delineatus introduced

Nine-spined stickleback Ten-spined stickleback Gasterosteidae Pungitius pungitius native

Orfe Ide Cyprinidae Leuciscus idus introduced

Perch Percidae Perca fluviatilis native

Pike Northern pike Esocidae Esox lucius native

Polan Arctic cisco Salmonidae Coregonus autumnalis polan native

Powan Salmonidae oregonus clupeoides native

Pumpkinseed Centrarchidae Lepomis gibbosus introduced

Roach Cyprinidae Rutilus rutilus native

Rock bass Centrarchidae Ambloplites rupestris introduced

Rudd Cyprinidae Scardinius erythrophthalmus native

Ruffe Pope Percidae Gymnocephalus cernuus native

Schelly Salmonidae Coregonus stigmaticus native

Silver bream White bream Cyprinidae Blicca bjoerkna native

Spined loach Cobitidae Cobitis taenia native

Sterlet Sturgeon Acipenseridae Acipenser ruthenus introduced

Stone loach Balitoridae Barbatula barbatula native

Tench Cyprinidae Tinca tinca native

Three-spine stickleback Burnstickle Gasterosteidae Gasterosteus aculeatus native

Vendace European cisco Salmonidae Coregonus albula native

Weather loach Cobitidae Misgurnus fossilis introduced

Wels catfish Siluridae Silurus glanis introduced

Zander Perch-pike Percidae Sander lucioperca introduced

 

Sea Fish found in Freshwater

Allis shad Mayfish Clupeidae Alosa alosa native

Atlantic sturgeon Acipenseridae Acipenser sturio native

Burbot Lotidae Lota lota native

Common goby Gobiidae Pomatoschistus microps native

Flounder Butt Pleuronectidae Platichthys flesus native

Golden grey mullet Golden mullet Mugilidae Lizaaurata native

Rock goby Gobiidae Gobius paganellus native

Sea Bass Serranidae Dicentrarchus labrax native

Sea lamprey Great sea lamprey Petromyzontidae Petromyzon marinus native

Smelt Osmeridae Osmerus eperlanus native

Thicklip grey mullet Lesser grey mullet Mugilidae Chelon labrosus native

Thinlip mullet Grey mullet Mugilidae Liza ramada native

Twaite shad Clupeidae Alosa fallax native

 

Salmon & Trout

Atlantic salmon Black salmon Salmonidae Salmosalar native

Brook trout Brook charr Salmonidae Salvelinus fontinalis introduced

Brown Trout Salmonidae Salmotrutta fario native

Chinook salmon Salmonidae Oncorhynchus tshawytscha introduced

CohoSalmon Salmonidae Oncorhynchus kisutch introduced

Pink Salmon Salmonidae Oncorhynchus gorbuscha introduced

Rainbow trout Salmonidae Oncorhynchusmykiss introduced

Sea trout Blacktail Salmonidae Salmo trutta trutta native

 

References found but no evidence - guppy was in hot water in the Sankey Canal, now probably extinct

Guppy Poeciliidae Poecilia reticulata introduced

Stone moroko Cyprinidae Pseudorasbora parva introduced

 

[ 23. August 2002, 07:42 PM: Message edited by: davidP ]

[Scott]

Excellent DavidP, are Eels classed as native I thought they introduced themselves.

The EA class eels a freshwater fish as they spent most of their lives in freshwater, they class salmon as freshwater fish as well!!!!!!

 

Scott.

[will this name be ok]

ok here it goes i know there not 42 but it's as close as i could get and any arguments can be place with http://www.fishing.co.uk i got the list from then and there uk records

 

If anyone can add another 5 let me a nugg know.

 

Coarse fish

 

01 Barbel

02 Bitterling

03 Bleak

04 Bream Common

05 Bream Bronze

06 Bream Silver

07 Bullhead (millers thumb)

08 Carp

09 Carp Crucian

10 Carp grass

11 Catfish,Bullhead,Black

12 Catfish,wels

13 Chub

14 Dace

15 Eel

16 Goldfish,brown

17 Gudgeon

18 Minnow

19 Orfe, Golden

20 Perch

21 Pike

22 Pumpkinseed

23 Roach

24 Rudd

25 Ruffe

26 Schelly,Skelly

27 Stickleback

28 Tench

29 Walleye.pikeperch

30 Zander, Pikeperch

 

Game Fish

 

31 Charr

32 Grayling

33 Salmon

34 Trout American Brook

35 trout brown

36 trout rainbow

37 trout sea

[davidP]

Scott:

Excellent DavidP, are Eels classed as native I thought they introduced themselves.

The EA class eels a freshwater fish as they spent most of their lives in freshwater, they class salmon as freshwater fish as well!!!!!!

 

Scott.

The whole Salmon/Trout/Whitfish affair is a bit of a can of worms. There are so many different latin references for salmon & trout with loads of different subspecies (gillaroo, golden trout, cut-throat, steelhead, kamloops, ferox, slob, sonaghan etc etc), and it's very difficult to find a definitive list of which are specific species or not. The same goes for the various whitefish species (Vendace, schelly, powan, pollan, gwyniad). They also appear to have been reclassified on several occasions, sometimes as separate species, sometimes as the same species and sometimes as sub-species. The Schelly, Powan & Gwyniad often seem to be treated as the same fish but giving them a local name (Gwyniad in Bala, Schelly in the Lake District, Powan in Scotland). The Pollan is the Irish version and the Vendace also lives in 2 lakes in Cumbria but does seem to be universaly regarded as a separate species. But there's so many conflicting sources it's difficult to know exactly what the current thinking is. The fact is they were quite probably the same species many moons ago but years of separation and inbreeding have made them all slightly different. DNA testing would probably give a 99.9% match. I hope however I've got what the current situation is. I think the safest bet is to treat them as 5 different species and ignore the Common Whitefish species as being a generic name for them.

 

Another slightly confusing one is the nine-spined stickleback because I found this listed in several places as the ten-spined stickleback. Aparently it can actually have anything from 8 to 12 spines anyway, so neither name is necessarily accurate. There's also a 15-spined version but that's an out-and-out sea fish.

 

Anyway, I make it 45 species plus 8 salmon & trout = 53. Some of them are extremely small populations however, and in some cases there are dubts if they even still exist.

 

And I just realised I don't have the Walleye on the list so make that 54. We have a British record for the Walleye so it must have existed at some point, but I've never seen any evidence to prove they still exist.

 

[ 24. August 2002, 12:52 AM: Message edited by: davidP ]

[Paul_D]

Interesting one this. Do the E.A. really classify the Brown Trout and the Sea Trout separately? I always assumed that the Sea Trout just developed a 'wanderlust' but was welcomed back to the fold as the same beast.

[davidP]

Tinca61:

Interesting one this. Do the E.A. really classify the Brown Trout and the Sea Trout separately? I always assumed that the Sea Trout just developed a 'wanderlust' but was welcomed back to the fold as the same beast.

We don't know - they state the number of species but don't list them hence this thread. They sort of do regard them as separate though because you can fish for brown trout on a standard licence but if you want to fish for sea trout you have to have the more expensive migratory fish licence (or salmon licence is it's normally called)!

[Paul_D]

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We don't know - they state the number of species but don't list them hence this thread. They sort of do regard them as separate though because you can fish for brown trout on a standard licence but if you want to fish for sea trout you have to have the more expensive migratory fish licence (or salmon licence is it's normally called)!

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Good point. The cynic in me now thinks that this could be because it's another means of revenue generation. Having said that though, I myself think that our licensing system provides excellent value for money nowadays. Far better than the old regional system.