Trebles for carp

[Guest Alan Taylor]

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Tony, there so many Alan's on here it is an idea to identify them further, ie Alan(nl) etc. You did not offend me except for the fact that did not respond to a discreet offer of help in teaching you how to tie a hook so that it works. Your problem not mine.

I have been on AN too long, there was a lot more I wanted to say but keep my mouth shut.

 

Interesting comments by some anglers that I respect from there input but have not met.

 

All the best

Alan(nl)

 

 

 

 

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[Guest tony jolley]

Right let me clarify some thing,

The Alan I was refering to is Alan Fawcett, And is in referance to the post directly before my offer of help,

Alan taylor,

Please clarify what you are talking about regards "tieing a hook"

I cant recall what you are on about.

Eelfisher, I`m good at that aint I.

 

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Tony B.T Jolley

[Guest 'eelfisher']

Dear BT

I was worried there for a minute because I believe that you can probably tie more bloody hook and line knots than most everyone on this site.

It appears to me that they see your spelling is a shade wild, that you only eat pie sandwiches and eel fish and then assume that you are a hillbilly!!!!

Guys, incase you do not already know....BT is a seriously gifted angler....his thinking is beyond description and his ability to work an angling problem out is supreme.

His downside is that he can talk faster than most of us can take in words.....listen to the man on occasions but do not phone him up for a chat....its that simple.

Yours With Respect...

Steve.

PS...Oh, and yes you are a bit like that, my son.

[Guest Alan Taylor]

Originally posted by tony jolley:

You had me worried there, I thought I wrote it in Dutch. Re read it slowly.

Do you have children? They could possible explain it to you.

It is quite simple even to me, if you tie a single hook and hair in the correct way, the hook will TURN downwards and hook the fish in the lower lip. When a Carp feeds it sucks in all sorts of crap including your bait, it then blows it out to sort out what it wants to eat. When it blows the crap out the boilie or tiger nuts go out first as they have more body. The hook follows but turns down wards in the process.

What is it you did not understand? Without going into details, the size of your boilie decides the size of your hook and length of the hair. Dont get confused here, I am talking about the hair on the hook not your head. So big boilie, big hook, longer hair. As long as the hook is a fraction smaller then the boilie it works. OK so far?

Now you have your boilie on the hair, take the hook link in one hand and open the other hand, palm upwards. Drag the hook and boilie over the palm of your hand (gently).

If the hair is the correct length the hook will turn into the palm of your hand or (are you ready for this) the Carps lower lip. If the hair is too long, take a turn round the shank of the hook and try again.

 

The hair should come off the BACK of the hook and where it comes off the back should be directly in line with the point of the hook.

 

The hook link must come out of the eye of the hook from the inside of the eye, ie, You have the back of the eye, the front is the place where the point of the hook is. OK so far?

 

I hope this helps, I know nothing about barbless v barbed but it is a subject that I will be asking a lot of questions about in May next year.

 

Sorry about being a bit sarcastic and no offence was intended but if you had read my original reply properly you would have seen what I meant.

 

If you can find it, I would suggest that you buy the book, it is only about 3 quid and is by Korda Developments, Danny Fairbrass.

 

I have no connection with this firm and do not realy like the man but have to admit he knows some sheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

 

It works.

 

Alan(nl)

 

 

 

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[Guest tony jolley]

Just had my wigan kebab supper.

Consists of meat pie, chicken pie,steak pie, and a sausage roll for afters,

all with curry, on a butty and dripping.

 

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Tony B.T Jolley

[Guest tony jolley]

ALAN TAYLOR!

I think you need to go back to Alan fawcetts,

post, AND RE READ FROM THERE you have obviously got confused, I have already explained that I was talking about alan Fawcett and his lack of confidance in fishing for pike and zander,

I do know how to tie a hook and I did fish for carp for about 10/12 years.

you may have been writeing your lenghty reply and missed the later posts,

If I had been a "novice angler" you reply would have P****D me off big time, You realy shouldn`t talk down to anyone after all they may know more on a subject then you!

 

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Tony B.T Jolley

[Guest Alan Taylor]

Originally posted by tony jolley:

Just had my wigan kebab supper.

Consists of meat pie, chicken pie,steak pie, and a sausage roll for afters,

all with curry, on a butty and dripping.

 

Now we all know why you are so full of it.

E mails please Mr Wally, not on here please.

I tried to help and that is me out of it on this topic.

Food sounds good though.

BIBI

Alan(nl)

 

Sorry, Mr Jolly.

 

 

 

[This message has been edited by Alan Taylor (edited 14 September 2001).]

[Guest Alan Taylor]

Originally posted by tony jolley:

ALAN TAYLOR!

 

Yes I am realy confused, I thought I was trying to help you to tie a hook for carp fishing. Very sorry, my mistake.

Alan F. Ok mate? How do you tie 3 boilies to a trebble and do a pendulem cast for bream?

Nite

Alan(nl)

 

 

 

 

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[Guest Alan Taylor]

Originally posted by Richard Capper:

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After trying to explain it to you, NO one is that bloody stupid to fish for non predatory fish with tripples. Take up sea fishing Mr.

Alan(nl)

 

 

 

 

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[Guest tony jolley]

Back to the "original topic"

I remembered that I have a book that shows trebles being used for tench and carp, the bait was segments of fruit, such as banana and cherrys,

I WOULD NEVER USE OR ADVISE THE USE OF TREBLES FOR SOFT MOUTHED FISH,

And I am have tried to use singles for pike this as been usually when I have been out eeling and used a bigger bait that i would usually use for eels, I have caught a lot of small pike upto 11.4 on a single hook such as a size 4s super specialist,

I have also used large uptide hooks with bigish baits.

i am looking at using a two hook set up like a pennel rig to fish large dead and lives for pike this winter,

Both hooks being about size 2s,

I think the only posible problem with a single as opposed to a treble is the thought that the hook may be flat against the bait,

the way I hook my eelbaits usually puts a stop to that happening,

I (because I`m fishing a single hook for eels) push the hook through the root of the tail and slide the bait up my trace, then I turn the hook back on itself with the slack line and then push the hook back in to the bait near the anal fin, the bait and hook are all in line with the hook proud of the fish,

My intended setup for the use of 2single hooks will be set up slightly differant,

I will firstly push the hook at the end of the trace through and out of the side of the dead bait and then rehook it again in the position I require it to be, then I will thread the swivel through the tail root and out the other side and then hook the upper single hook as close as I can to the tail root, stopped on hook side of the fish with a piece of elastic band, to take the shock of a cast,

the reason I push the 1st hook through and hook it again is so the trace material helps to keep every thing proud and staight.

Obviously the setting of the hook WILL be made very early,

as I believe i will be able to do with this set up.

If you look at a size 2s single hook when it is sat proud and upright on a bait you have a lot of hook to catch hold, to achieve the same "proudness" with a treble you would have to use 0.1s or bigger, GROTESQUE looking and non fish friendly hooks,

Please take a look at it and let me know if I`m "off track" or if I could do a better set up.

 

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Tony B.T Jolley