Greens or commercials?

[Guest challenge]

Greens or commercials?

Could I have your opinions on who you think cause the biggest threat to RSA and angling as we know it?

Or do you not think there is any significant threat at all?

Regards.

[barry luxton]

Greens or commercials?

Could I have your opinions on who you think cause the biggest threat to RSA and angling as we know it?

Or do you not think there is any significant threat at all?

Regards.

 

Biggest threat is the men in suits who have never picked up a fishing rod. Already they appear to think they know what is good for us.

[five bellies]

I dont see why either should be a threat, If somone had the Nuts to Enforce already existing Law, I shoot and Game fish, If it was not for the syndicates and clubs of both disiplins Our chalk streams would be silted and stagnent Puddles This I have seen wild browns would not Be breeding in any meaning full way in the UK and saltmarsh would be a grave yard of Burnt out Cars and fly Tipping spiol,(More than once I have seen Tracts of land restored to thier former glory and a eco sytem redevelop owing to poeple who fish and shoot) Simply because our green freinds would not have the funds be able to manage all of these areas of nateral buetie on there own, as far as the commercails are concerned the USA & Australia dont seem to have the problems that we do.

Edited April 23, 2007 by five bellies

[thedogs]

I see it like trhis, greens =rock. commercials=hard place.

[stavey]

Greens or commercials?

Could I have your opinions on who you think cause the biggest threat to RSA and angling as we know it?

Or do you not think there is any significant threat at all?

Regards.

 

Hi challenge

 

the rsa in my area's quality is very poor and has been for a very long time, all of this time the commercials have been ever present were as the greens are only just getting started, so you can make your own conclusions on who is the most likely to have caused the problem around here, if things stay the same as regards the commercials with no restrictions ie, mpa's/golden mile/proper mls increases? then the rsa will die off within the next few decades, you and your customers may be happy steaming hundreds of miles for a few cod but you are in the main a very SMALL minority as regards the rsa if i had to realy choose between the greens and the commercials to run the shop it would have to be the former as i have found no evidence that the latter could be trusted what so ever to look after our inshore marine waters for the benefit of all, they have held the reins at the sfc's for decades and look were that has got us!! cheers........

[ColinW]

Not a difficult one. When I stand fishing on the banks of my local estuary it is quite common for me to be able to see both of these groups. Who screws up my sport most, the guys in the very expensive outdoor wear with the shiny green wellies and the binoculars or the ones in the trawlers filling buckets with postage stamp sized flatties to use as pot bait?

Give me the green welly brigade anyday! They occasionally show a bit of curiosity as to why I should be standing there catching nothing, but when I explain that it's better than sitting in the house watching telly I think they understand, because that's the same reason they are there.

[wurzel]

Not a difficult one. When I stand fishing on the banks of my local estuary it is quite common for me to be able to see both of these groups. Who screws up my sport most, the guys in the very expensive outdoor wear with the shiny green wellies and the binoculars or the ones in the trawlers filling buckets with postage stamp sized flatties to use as pot bait?

Give me the green welly brigade anyday! They occasionally show a bit of curiosity as to why I should be standing there catching nothing, but when I explain that it's better than sitting in the house watching telly I think they understand, because that's the same reason they are there.

 

 

Hello CollinW

 

You have no proof that the trawlers are filling buckets of postage sized flatties, as it is illegal I doubt they are.

As you say you are fishing an estuary and these chaps are using buckets not fish box's. I guess the trawlers you see are very small inefficient boats probably part timers out for bit of beer money, I doubt they have much effect on your sport.

 

The greens will never be satisfied once they have imposed their will on us you will be firmly within their sights.

You need to hope they don't spot some slightly exotic bird or plant life along your estuary shore line, they don't even need to these days, some anorak has just to say this area is of special interest, you will be the first kicked off, and what ever you do don't let them see you digging up the beach for bait.

[Jaffa]

Greens or commercials?

Could I have your opinions on who you think cause the biggest threat to RSA and angling as we know it?

Or do you not think there is any significant threat at all?

Regards.

 

 

Hi Challenge,

 

If its UK commercials and the the greens with a voice in the EU then I think its the greens. Get beyond the EU madhouse and its surely different t all over the world?

 

I think "angling as we know it" is a bit daft as it changes all the time?

 

Biggest threat i see is one set of people setting their perfect world in stone and legislating to make it that way.

 

I fear fisheries is the least of our problems with that kind of thinking at work

[ColinW]

Hello CollinW

 

You have no proof that the trawlers are filling buckets of postage sized flatties, as it is illegal I doubt they are.

As you say you are fishing an estuary and these chaps are using buckets not fish box's. I guess the trawlers you see are very small inefficient boats probably part timers out for bit of beer money, I doubt they have much effect on your sport.

 

The greens will never be satisfied once they have imposed their will on us you will be firmly within their sights.

You need to hope they don't spot some slightly exotic bird or plant life along your estuary shore line, they don't even need to these days, some anorak has just to say this area is of special interest, you will be the first kicked off, and what ever you do don't let them see you digging up the beach for bait.

 

Wurzel

As far as I'm aware there is no MLS on flounders so they can take whatever they want. They are meant to be limited to a certain bycatch as they are supposedly fishing for shrimps, but until about a month ago the estuary (the Dee) was completely unpoliced so they were able to break the rules without any worry. When the EA (Wales) said they would start enforcing the regulations, the fishermen threw a paddy and said they would all tie their boats up (they didn't of course). That to me was an admisssion that what they were doing before was obviously illegal. These are not very small, inefficient boats and they HAVE wrecked the fishery as far as local anglers are concerned. It doesn't take long to wipe out stocks when you can trawl up and down the narrow central channel at low tide.

This is not just my opinion, match results don't lie.

If we can't even have inedible fish like flounders then just what ARE commercial fishermen prepared to let us have?

I don't worry about the greens. The way things are going there won't be any reason to take fishing tackle to the beach with me anyway, I'll only be there for a walk!

[wurzel]

Wurzel

As far as I'm aware there is no MLS on flounders so they can take whatever they want. They are meant to be limited to a certain bycatch as they are supposedly fishing for shrimps, but until about a month ago the estuary (the Dee) was completely unpoliced so they were able to break the rules without any worry. When the EA (Wales) said they would start enforcing the regulations, the fishermen threw a paddy and said they would all tie their boats up (they didn't of course). That to me was an admisssion that what they were doing before was obviously illegal. These are not very small, inefficient boats and they HAVE wrecked the fishery as far as local anglers are concerned. It doesn't take long to wipe out stocks when you can trawl up and down the narrow central channel at low tide.

This is not just my opinion, match results don't lie.

If we can't even have inedible fish like flounders then just what ARE commercial fishermen prepared to let us have?

I don't worry about the greens. The way things are going there won't be any reason to take fishing tackle to the beach with me anyway, I'll only be there for a walk!

 

 

Hello Collin

 

There is a mls for flounders, 24 cm I think, there is even a quota for flounders, I know of potters who have been fined for having undersized flounders in their bait bins.

Commercial fishermen are always policed at some level or other, MFA officers might not enforce EA bylaws but they will national fishery regulations.

If the local commercials have wiped out the river Dee fish stocks they will soon be selling their boats then

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