Ben Bares His Teeth

[steve good]

Lets be faire here. For one I did not attend the meeting but neither did you glen.

I therefore have to accept your friend’s vision of what he said.

But there are people who come on this forum who have said totally different.

Darlick, John and Michele and the doctor had totally different perceptions of Arnold lockers chairing of the meeting than those of your associate. In fact just the opposite.

 

Hi challenge

 

The fact of the matter is that certain people have been naughty by breaking fisheries laws and have therefore brought there fellow fishermen into an area of disrepute, however the other side have also bought there sport into the same domain.

 

It is therefore important for everybody to look at why this has happened and learn from it, after all it is so easy to condenm people without fully understanding the reasoning and cause that lead to it.

 

Regards Steve

[Guest challenge]

Hi challenge

 

The fact of the matter is that certain people have been naughty by breaking fisheries laws and have therefore brought there fellow fishermen into an area of disrepute, however the other side have also bought there sport into the same domain.

 

It is therefore important for everybody to look at why this has happened and learn from it, after all it is so easy to condenm people without fully understanding the reasoning and cause that lead to it.

 

Regards Steve

I couldn’t agree more Steve.

regards.

[barry luxton]

I couldn’t agree more Steve.

regards.

 

 

Perhaps then someone in mitigation can explain to the judge why it happend before he passes sentance. You might be able to help them. Don't forget also there were people who were guilty by association who have never even been on the ships. There are scams in all walks of life, some choose them some don't.

[Ken Davison South Wales]

I don't think it matters very much what was said at that meeting or any other meeting, I suspect that the commercial fishing sector hold these people in high regard as they all disagree with quotas etc.

 

The fact is whether they like it or not they are breaking the laws, the very laws that BB is supposed to see are enforced.

 

Merely by sitting at the table with them he is condoning their actions, in his position he should put as much distance between him self and people that break the law.

Edited May 2, 2007 by Ken Davison South Wales

[wurzel]

I don't think it matters very much what was said at that meeting or any other meeting, I suspect that the commercial fishing sector hold these people in high regard as they all disagree with quotas etc.

 

The fact is whether they like it or not they are breaking the laws, the very laws that BB is supposed to see are enforced.

 

Merely by sitting at the table with them he is condoning their actions, in his position he should put as much distance between him self and people that break the law.

 

 

Hello Ken

 

You have no proof that they are braking any laws at this moment, they might have done several years ago, I doubt there was an over ten meter boat fishing for fin fish that wasn't at the time.

[Ken Davison South Wales]

Hello Ken

 

You have no proof that they are braking any laws at this moment, they might have done several years ago, I doubt there was an over ten meter boat fishing for fin fish that wasn't at the time.

 

Hi Wurzle,

 

Well this lot have already put their hands up it.

 

A firm which runs what is thought to be Britain's largest fishing fleet has admitted a £141,000 quota scam.

Cornwall-based W Stevenson and Sons, which has 35 vessels, admitted 37 charges of filing false sales records.

[wurzel]

Hi Wurzle,

 

Well this lot have already put their hands up it.

 

 

But have you any proof that they are still doing it?

These offences took place back in 2002, DEFRA had to dig deep.

 

The chances are the local DEFRA inspectors turned a blind eye at the time knowing the fishermen had little choice, and can't see the point in throwing good prime fish over the side to rot, they know that quotas have done very little to conserve fish stocks.

 

Exactly the same has happened with the skate and rays issue in this area. The EU brought in the ban on direct fishing for skate and rays last January the local officers knew this was not possible for the local fishermen to operate with in that law especially at that time of year and with a very low dover sole quota set for the early spring there was little else to fish for. they took a month before they even mentioned they might have to enforce it, then they took another month to give us some warnings, then once DEFRA had acquired some more sole quota they told us to stop fishing for rays or they will prosecute, this is 10 weeks after the EU brought in the law.

But if some time in the future DEFRA get warned by the EU for not implementing fishery laws vigorously enough and threaten them with millions of pounds in fines as they did a couple of years ago, as they did fine France, then you are just as likely to get DEFRA officials running around like headless chickens trying to look efficient, all they need to do is look at the catch and landing records for last spring and all the boat owners, including me, and merchants from the South East coast would be in court charged with landing and selling over quota rays.

I don't consider myself in any way a criminal, I have tried to explain the workings of DEFRA and quotas to you and others before, bit of a waste of time really!

 

Quote from Steve G

after all it is so easy to condemn people without fully understanding the reasoning and cause that lead to it.

 

 

And to compare fishery law to robbery , drunk driving or speeding is just stupid ignorance .

[ColinW]

....to compare fishery law to robbery , drunk driving or speeding is just stupid ignorance .

 

The courts don't seem to think so. I've never seen fines like those handed out for speeding.

 

Fishermen are NOT above the law. They can't break them just because they think they know best. Isn't that EXACTLY THE SAME as the mind set of the average speeding motorist?

[wurzel]

The courts don't seem to think so. I've never seen fines like those handed out for speeding.

 

Fishermen are NOT above the law. They can't break them just because they think they know best. Isn't that EXACTLY THE SAME as the mind set of the average speeding motorist?

 

 

 

 

No it is not! speed limits are generally set for safety reasons that are often obvious, built up areas , accident black spots and road works for instance, as are most motoring laws, there is no argument against that when caught breaking them.

[ColinW]

No it is not! speed limits are generally set for safety reasons that are often obvious, built up areas , accident black spots and road works for instance, as are most motoring laws, there is no argument against that when caught breaking them.

 

I don't see that at all. It's not up to us to question why a law has been set and then decide whether we obey it.

The nineteen year old who speeds does so out of ignorance, he hasn't enough experience to know any better. The fisherman who breaks laws set up to attempt to protect stocks does so out of contempt for the law.

The situation where people start drawing their own lines about which laws they obey and which they don't is called anarchy.