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#1 Dales

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 01:22 PM

I know many of us get all worked up about people taking Carp for the table and I myself get annoyed by Carp poaching.

However I was wondering do all people who take Carp for eating do it illegally because they have no other option. There will always be some who will take fish they should not even if there was an alternative. Therefore I was wondering would it be a good idea to have Carp fisheries were you could take home your catch in the way Trout fisheries have a bag limit.

If lakes existed stocked with cooking size Mirror Carp (Not sure what the right size would be) Would people fish them knowing that they could take one home with them. Not sure what such a ticket might cost, but the idea works for trout, could it not work for Carp?

I'm kind of guessing that if there was a viable business model in this idea some one would have done it already.

I'm also sure many on the coarse forum would be happy to see a few less Carp around :D

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Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub,  Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek


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Posted 02 November 2009 - 03:22 PM

not sure in large populations of poles etc they are not already catered for fish wise in shops.
you would need to have your lake near those that eat it ,there were a lot of poles here locally in various shops but all but one have disappeared perhaps now they know their rights they are not employed so much ,we cant have workers that expect what everyone else has as not having it was what made them economic to employ :D
if you buy carp to stock theres few that will pay the price the owner pays (plus profit) to eat it as to just fish for it ;)

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 08:09 AM

Carp are not trout and it would not catch on. And why would it ? People taking the fish for the pot are poaching waters and not anglers as such. They would not therefore pay for a ticket, or a rod licence, or for that matter a rod and reel. And as Chesters points out, they don't want tp pay for their fish - they can pay for them in the shops.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 09:13 AM

Some people clearly want to catch carp for the pot. I don't think they are doing it out of starvation or poverty. I think it's a bit pessimistic to assume that they would not choose to follow their traditions legally if given the chance - I can buy rainbow trout in the shops for a hell of a lot less than I pay to take them on the fly.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 11:52 AM

Some people clearly want to catch carp for the pot. I don't think they are doing it out of starvation or poverty. I think it's a bit pessimistic to assume that they would not choose to follow their traditions legally if given the chance - I can buy rainbow trout in the shops for a hell of a lot less than I pay to take them on the fly.


Yes I would like to believe that some people catch and take them for traditional reasons and would take the legal option if available or are we being very naive?

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub,  Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek


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Posted 03 November 2009 - 12:19 PM

Some people clearly want to catch carp for the pot. I don't think they are doing it out of starvation or poverty. I think it's a bit pessimistic to assume that they would not choose to follow their traditions legally if given the chance - I can buy rainbow trout in the shops for a hell of a lot less than I pay to take them on the fly.

I beg to differ, the only people I've ever heard of wanting to take carp from our waters for the pot want a free meal. I think it's more than a little naive to think they'd follow their traditions legally if they could. They can buy carp if they want from the shops like everyone else.

It used to be legal to take coarse fish from open waters but I think that law changed. If the EA felt it appropriate for people to take for the pot again, be it carp, pike, barbel etc then I wouldn't object. But they would need to do so in accordance with our laws and using legal fishing methods. The problem then comes around to policing and enforcing - and what's for the pot as opposed to for a bit of illegal transfer between waters ?

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 12:42 PM

It is currently legal to take coarse fish from any water provided that you have the permission of the person who holds the fishing rights. If you do not have permission, you commit theft.

The EA is currently considering introducing new legislation which will make it illegal to take certain coarse species from rivers, even if you own the land and the fishing rights, but they have not done this yet.

I think the people taking fish for the pot are mostly Eastern Europeans, and I believe they are doing it because killing and cooking their catch is part of a day's fishing to them, not because they can't afford to eat. It's a cultural thing, I think. I have a (British) mate who I've tried to introduce to fishing, and he quite likes it, but he just can't get his head around catch and release.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 05:11 PM

Leave the carp and take the crayfish! Much nicer anyway! :D
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 08:24 PM

Leave the carp and take the crayfish! Much nicer anyway! :D

Perversely, it's even more illegal to take crayfish, of any type.

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