Carp facing extinction

[Peter Waller]

mpbdsnu:

 

mpbdsnu:

Outside of angling circles the anti carp movement, as Cranfield calls it, may not be that small. I say that because I have been dealing with a number of university educated environmentalist types recently, people employed both by the EA and the Broads Authority, clearly carp are not universally popular.

So, I would like to know where they are getting their information from? If you are regularly meeting with such people, then could it be your influence that is swaying their judgement?

Far from it. I attend a meeting as a member of a consultative that advises the Broads Authority. The question of the new Whitlingham Broad was brought up for consultation recently. Since the Broad owners wish it to be a commercial success and a popular choice I suggested it be developed as a carp fishery. The Broad has a shared usage, such as nature trails etc. My suggestion received no support. The publications that I have in mind predate my involvement with the Broads Authority. I started off my involvement with this particular thread outlining my concern. I stand by that concern.

 

Dens comment that bad anglers are bad anglers is spot on. There are some appalling pike anglers :mad: .

[Cranfield]

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Originally posted by Cranfield:

 

Don,t try to make me out as an anti carp fisherman, I also catch carp.

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YOU HAVE MANAGED TO DO THAT FOR YOURSELF MATE!

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How you arrive at that conclusion, completely escapes me.

However, having read what else you have posted, your opinion doesn,t really interest me.

[mpbdsnu]

But Peter, you never make 'collective' comments regarding pike or pike anglers - because you consider yourself to be a pike angler!

 

I'm a carp angler, in the main, and I have occasionally strayed from my swim, I would'nt deny it, but I've never had a carp come to any harm yet!

 

Incidentally, I'm piking in the morning - with another carper, but I certainly won't stray then!

 

Carp anglers adopt many different methods, and I'm no different. For instance fishing near to (not too near though) a snag/feature of some kind, I will fish 'locked up' and be almost literally on top of my rods. But on another occasion, after having found the underwater features in more open water I wish to bait up and fish to, I will cast out, set the alarms, put the remote in my pocket and I will chill out with a beer or two and perhaps wander a few yards and socialise!

 

But in my opinion Peter, it is people like you who give many carpers a bad name! Because people will follow suit. They will not made a decision based on their own experiences of carpers, but will go by what the likes of you will say on here!

 

To back up that point, I have fished with people who have posted on here who admitted to having a blinkered view of carpers because of what they had seen written by others!

 

By tarring all with the same brush you are going no good! Its all very well and good saying after the event such as:- "Dens comment that bad anglers are bad anglers is spot on. There are some appalling pike anglers" is too late, the damage has been done! People are influenced by your comments Peter.

 

I have not really posted on here for quite a while, apart from the odd comment here and there, though I used to really enjoy doing so, but it was comments by you and a few others that drove me away - how many others are driven away also?

 

My comment above was over the top, so ban me if you will Elton, I would'nt blame you for that.

 

But it really does sicken me at times!

[mpbdsnu]

Cranfield:

Perhaps Peter objects to pike anglers putting out multiple rods, turning on the bite alarms and then wandering off a few swims, to talk to their mates and have a "social".

 

I certainly do.

The implication is there in your post cranfield!

[Gaffer]

Gents, please keep this thread civil.

 

Anymore provocative or inflametory posts made to this topic will result in the thread being locked and deleted.

[Cranfield]

mpbdsnu, so my comments about bad angling practices, means I am against people who fish for carp ?

Sad, very sad.

Its my turn to use the rolleyes icon.

[mpbdsnu]

Cranfield, please read your post again and tell me that there was no implication in your generalisations? Your comment was (to me anyhow) aimed at Carp Anglers 'per se'

 

But besides all this, my question in my first post was:

 

"Could you elaborate please Peter"

 

[ 02. January 2004, 08:14 PM: Message edited by: mpbdsnu ]

[Nugg]

Peter Waller:

I really would like to know why SOME carp anglers are so blessed sensitive    :confused:    . All Cranfield and I are saying is that we don't like the slack angling practices that have overflowed from carping into other disciplines.

I have limited experience of Carp angling, but as I see it.

The ardent carper would no doubt be used to using things like bolt rigs, where the fish, as I see it, practically lip hook themselves, it therefore gives them that bit of freedom to roam, although they shouldn't really. The use of this method and, I use this term lightly, non-predatory nature of the Carp would rarely result in the deep hooking of said fish, and apart from snagging, it could be left to its own devises to a certain extent.

The pike on the other hand, being more of a smash and grab merchant, is very likely to swallow the bait hooks and all, in no time, if the fish could then even be recovered there is every possibility it would expire, therefore constant attention is required at all times, not allowing time to roam about.

I would say that I have the impression of some, by no means all Carpers to have more of a lax attitude than a slack one, which gives them something of an identity.

Maybe thats why I don't do that much Carping.

[mpbdsnu]

Nice answer Nugg, i respect your views sir!

 

I am sorry Leon for dragging this away from the initial topic.

 

I find it sad they are considering doing this in Oz. Where next? I sincerely hope it is never brought here, unfortunately it would be all too easy to do!

[Nugg]

mpbdsnu:

Nice answer Nugg, i respect your views sir!      

 

I am sorry Leon for dragging this away from the initial topic.

 

I find it sad they are considering doing this in Oz. Where next? I sincerely hope it is never brought here, unfortunately it would be all too easy to do!

Thank you for that.

 

I just wonder what our response would be to them finding a way to rid the world of the black plague [rants], or the mink. I suppose we would all be for it, cos we see them as pests, well is that not what they see Carp as over there. At least it seems that they are going about it in a somewhat humane manner.

Genetics is a little bit above me, but nature usually finds a way around these things, after all we have plenty of rabbits about, they didn't all get killed off.

I may well be wrong but aren't they trying the same thing with bees in America somewhere.