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Hi all,

 

I was just wondering if any of you had any experience of using casting clips for dead baits. I was thinking of getting some so that I can cast to an island at a local venue without watching my bait sail up into the air and splash down 30 yards away from where I cast my lead. Problem is I dont know how to use them and dont know if they are any good. What do you guys reckon?

 

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Oddly I was thinking about them recently and wondered if they are any good as I have never tried them or seen them used before.

 

When an extra long cast is needed I tend to go for eel or lamprey and that stays on fine, but it would be good to have something that might widen the option of bait choice.

Stephen

 

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The whole dead bait casting clip came about due to the supposed issue of the need to be able to strike the hooks out of the bait on a take.The reasoning being that if the hooks stayed in the bait after hooking the pike the fish could use the bait to "lever" the hooks out.There fore the hooks were to be just lightly nicked under the skin.......................COMPLETE RUBBISH! I (or any other experienced piker I know) has never had or suspected this might have happened!

 

With a bait such as mackerel just bury one point of the hook into the tail root and it wont come off no matter how hard you cast it! Like Dales says if you need a long chuck then choose a suitable bait.If you have to use a soft bait (such as say sardine) then mount it before freezing and secure with shearing elastic.

 

Dead bait casting clips? totally unnecessary and just one extra bit of kit on the line. Designed to solve a problem that doesn't exist!

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And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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I used to sometimes use an elastic band doubled over a few times and slipped on the tail root next to the treble there (for most baits, that's the one that takes the force of the cast). As Budgie and Dales have said though, frozen baits, the top treble hooked properly in the tail root and using appropriate (tough) baits means it's rarely necessary.

And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music

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I used to sometimes use an elastic band doubled over a few times and slipped on the tail root next to the treble there (for most baits, that's the one that takes the force of the cast). As Budgie and Dales have said though, frozen baits, the top treble hooked properly in the tail root and using appropriate (tough) baits means it's rarely necessary.

Ok. As always thanks for the advice everyone. I had the problem of the bait flying off last time even though I had buried the treble deep into the root of the tail and thought it was secure. Sadly I didnt have the luxury of having other baits with me to try. I will try and get hold of some lamprey or eel section for the next attempt and see if that works out better. The sardines I was using even after freezing didnt seem to want to stay on on the cast at all so I ended up underarming them under trees etc. I have had two times out dead baiting now and not hit anything so hopefully next time will produce. I can wait though. 3rd time lucky and all that. I have already learnt a lot from the previous attempts so now I will take your advice onto the 3rd attempt.

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Sardines (a favourite pike bait of mine) are about the softest bait there is - even frozen they are liable to come off. I would only bother to use them at close range, it's too annoying otherwise! Mackarel, lamprey, smelt, plus the coarse deads stay on OK.

 

A bit of an aside, but a reason fish baits often fly off on the cast is that a lot of people use carp rods, which are designed to ping a heavy lead and boilie to the horizon. Proper pike rods (and old fashioned carp rods come to that) are much softer in action, allowing you to 'lob' the baits out much easier. I use a pair of old 2.25lb tc Daiwa carp rods, which are ideal.

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A bit of an aside, but a reason fish baits often fly off on the cast is that a lot of people use carp rods, which are designed to ping a heavy lead and boilie to the horizon. Proper pike rods (and old fashioned carp rods come to that) are much softer in action, allowing you to 'lob' the baits out much easier.

 

A good point.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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