Strange statements!

[Peter Waller]

Hey Woodzzz, recipes you say, can you post 'em please!

[mpbdsnu]

Of course carp are course fish!

 

I should imagine the bloke simply said what he did to explain the shift from one type of fishing to another.

 

To quote Peter McCue "This is all part & parcel that silly business of some Carp fishermen to elevate themselves above their idea of coarse fisherman, in other words those who fish for 'nuisance' fish.

 

If these Carpers had any idea of the skill levels required to catch big Roach,Rudd,Dace,Perch etc, consistently they would soon see the error of their ways.

 

I'll bet there's more people had 20lb Carp than had 2lb Roach..Oh it annoys me." :mad:

 

First of all, why on earth lump all carp anglers together on this? I get extremely annoyed about this. :mad:

 

Secondly, you speak of the skill involved in catching 4 species of course fish that, lets face it, anyone can drop a maggot into any water and catch constantly and consistently on practically any stretch of water in the country - so thats hardly an argument! But thats up to them, no-one should be knocking it - least of all me, and I won't!

 

But in this connection, the same CANNOT BE SAID of carp angling, it simply cannot - no matter what you may come up with to the contrary! It does take a great deal of skill.

 

Thirdly, I have personally caught several 2lb+ roach, plus decent sized fish of other species - however, I have NOT YET had the good fortune to catch a 20lb+ carp. BUT as my signature states, I call myself a 'Carp Angler'!

 

Anglers get a bad name from posts on threads such as this, not from how they fish, what they fish for, or what they may or may not call themselves - BUT FROM WHAT OTHERS SAY ABOUT THEM, OR CALL THEM!

 

Sorry to shout, but I think the point needs emphasising! Everyone then jumps on the bandwagon! Then its carp anglers this, carp anglers that, and - need I go on?

 

Just let be! You enjoy your type of fishing, I'll enjoy mine - no matter what 'hat' any of us may be wearing at any given time. Lets all be ready to back each other when the time may come to do so - no matter what we fish for.

 

[ 30. November 2002, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: mpbdsnu ]

[Gaffer]

peter mccue:

This is all part & parcel that silly business of some Carp fishermen to elevate themselves above their idea of coarse fisherman, in other words those who fish for 'nuisance' fish.

 

If these Carpers had any idea of the skill levels required to catch big Roach,Rudd,Dace,Perch etc, consistently they would soon see the error of their ways.

 

I'll bet there's more people had 20lb Carp than had 2lb Roach..Oh it annoys me.

 

Pill-time already nurse!!

Peter.

Peter, most anglers are pestered by a 'nuisance' fish at sometime or another. I'll admit it, I hate setting the perfect Carp trap only to catch a 2lb Bream at 3am on a Cold and frosty morning.

 

'Errors of their ways', could you explain Peter?

And are you saying that 'Carpers' don't have skills? :confused:

 

IMO it's threads like this that drives a wedge between specialist anglers and does nothing but rock the unity boat.

 

Peter Waller, I do hope River Carp and River Carp anglers are on a level playing field with other river fish and river users in the views of the RSSG, 'cos that's not the impression I get from your tone.

 

Not impressed.

 

All the best,

 

Gaffer. (Pb Roach 2lb 8oz, Pb Perch 2lb 10oz)

 

[ 30. November 2002, 05:55 PM: Message edited by: Gaffer ]

[Eddie]

quote:

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Originally posted by Gaffer:

 

IMO it's threads like this that drives a wedge between specialist anglers and does nothing but rock the unity boat.

 

Peter Waller, I do hope River Carp and River Carp anglers are on a level playing field with other river fish and river users in the views of the RSSG, 'cos that's not the impression I get from your tone.

 

Not impressed.

 

All the best,

 

Gaffer. (Pb Roach 2lb 8oz, Pb Perch 2lb 10oz)[/QB]

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Gaffer fishing is very similar to football clubs, everybody supports one but not all the same one. Each of the styles of angling equate to to the supporters of the different football clubs who would'nt p1ss on each other if they were on fire but when England, Scotland, and Ireland play will stand shoulder to shoulder with their sworn enemies to support their relevant national club and forget their differences. Peter Waller belongs to a different club to you but I'll bet he will support you if/when your style of angling is threatened.

 

Peter I have some good Pike recipes, you want them as well?

 

Elton can we have a new smiley to signify sarcasm please? As far as English/ Eurocarp go I am not racist I will stick my steel into anything!!

[Gaffer]

Eddie:

Peter Waller belongs to a different club to you but I'll bet he will support you if/when your style of angling is threatened.

Eddie, I don't doubt that for a minute, but I do feel that Peter Waller wouldn't put carp on the top of his PB wish list.

As I said, I hope river carp anglers who are members of the RSSG don't pickup the same vibes as I do.

 

Regards,

 

Gaffer. (RSSG Member)

[Dunk Fairley]

I fished a lake today, which doesn't get fished by more than a handfull of anglers. It contains bream to 6lbs, big still water chub (it's a flood relief for a river), roach to 2lbs + and all the other species you'd expect to find swimming in a natural river (including brown trout). It also contains a few carp. Speaking to the bailiff today, he reckons there are about twelve. When I visited during the close season, I saw carp spawning. i reckon the biggest may have been mid doubles.

 

I REALLY want to catch one of those fish. I'll fish using whatever bait I think (boilies, particle, floaters or whatever) and if I succeed, I'l probably be as delighted as If I'd caught a thirty pound fish.

 

But at the end of the day, it'll still be a coarse fish. a lovely, very significant, possibly beautiful, fish. But at the end of the day, it'll still be a coarse fish.

 

The same way Ladas are still Russian cars.

[peter mccue]

mpbdsnu,

 

Perhaps my post was a little more abrasive than I intended, if so I apologise.

 

However, the post is essentially correct as far as I can see. At no time did I state ALL Carpers, I said SOME.

 

I did say BIG Roach etc, which is a world apart from just dropping maggots into a river or lake & catching. In fact, I would say the difference is the same as catching a 3lb pastie in a Carp puddle, as opposed to catching a 20+ from a low stocked gravel pit.

 

I have full admiration for the skills of the Carp fisherman, due to the fact that I have targeted Carp for the last 20yrs or so. The problem comes from the fact that I was brought up on Roach, Dace etc & know very well, that the skills needed to catch these smaller fish at a specimen size are the equal of that required to catch specimen Carp...equal but different.

 

In my area of the country ( the N/E ) a 20 is still a big fish, but in a lot of area’s a 20 is no longer an achievement ( except for the first one ) & is simply a tally score. I don’t think there has ever been as many 20’s about as there is now, put it this way, I’d rather try & catch a 20+ Carp for a bet than a 2+ Roach.

 

This is where we come to the nub of the post, SOME Carpers feel that their branch of the sport is more skilful than the other branches, mainly because they might have had a small fish (in their eyes) impale itself on a size 6 hook at 3am on some 5 day session. Due to this shallow understanding of the skill required to catch other species, (in a lot of cases, species they’ve never deliberately fished for) they begin to view their chosen sport as the most difficult to do, & subsequently like to separate themselves from what is seen as an inferior part of the sport.

 

Carp fishing is Coarse fishing & the motives to separate for SOME Carpers are as above.

 

So certainly, I don’t regard ALL Carpers guilty, but the numbers are growing as people come into the sport having had experience of only Carp.

 

Gaffer,

 

My point of ‘error of their ways’ was that I would like to show SOME Carpers that their opinion of the smaller coarse species, is badly mistaken for the reasons shown above.

 

Peter.

[Peter Waller]

Gaffer, I think that you are being overly super sensitive here, I really do! I have to say that some of those who specialise in carp angling are sometimes prone to this, it is almost a carp 'thing'. I'm sorry that this thread has descended to this level.

 

On a personal basis, and I make no bones about, I simply can't get excited about carp in the context of bivvies, ultra-cult and wheel barrows, that leaves me cold. But I did have a 27 pounder off Oulton Broad this summer! And I would like more. I know where there are fish to over thirty pounds in the Waveney, waiting to be caught by yours truly, if I can crack it. Have even written to the advice slot of Improve Your Coarse Fishing as to how to go about carp fishing on a river and from a boat, since its the only way I can get to these particular fish!

 

Gaffer, as far as the RSSG is concerned, everyone and every species is special and equal, and whilst I'm chairman of the RSSG you can rely on that as a fact and a promise. To be honest, I hadn't even considered otherwise, the vaguest possibility of inequality hadn't even entered my mind. I'm sorry that you got the impression that it had.

 

I made the point to start with that a carp is a coarse fish, just like all other course fish. All very much on a level playing field. It just struck me as odd that someone should have made the comment that his girl friend had previously coarse fished but now carp fished, as if carp fishing was not coarse fishing, as if carp was not a coarse fish. Your first response was very much in keeping with the tone, I thought, of my posting.

 

I made the tongue in cheek comment re recipes for carp, Eddie came back with the dig that he had a recipe for pike! Okay by me! Eddie, if you can make a pike taste good then lets have it, I can then open a branch of K.F.P!

 

As for personal bests, a five pound Oulton Broad perch! That, over any other species, or venue, is top of my Xmas list. Since a four pounder came out recently then maybe, just maybe, it'll come true!

 

My personal wish for the RSSG is that it be completely open to all, matchmen, specialist, pike angler, carp angler, barbel angler, trout or salmon angler, estuary angler, out and out catch what comes along pleasure angler, the whole blessed shooting match in one vast melting pot.

 

Gaffer, we are on the same side.

[Smegger]

I have caught a 2lb+ Roach but never a Carp,

 

I suppose it comes down to the individual, again I stress the word SOME fly anglers are more about having a 4x4, wearing the right clothes, and wearing the top brand names outfits.

SOME shore anglers have the same attitude, as do SOME coarse, deep-sea, specimen etc anglers.

 

It's the same in most walks of life, is the attitude and how its percieved.

 

Me personally I think they're all FISH

[Bruno Broughton]

Peter

 

I have a belting recipe for filleted perch, the bigger the better. It was handed down to me by my (local) mates whoI lived just up the road in the early 60s, when Hanningfield Res. was in its infancy and Frankie Vaughan had never even seen the place! I have vivid childhood memories of BIG (dead) perch, caught by the reservoir workers (mates' fathers) on weighing scales. Cooked properly, they were brill., on a par with bass.

 

And to think, those beggars on the Great Ouse are catching and RETURNING the fish... in some countries that would be termed "playing with your food".