Bangor University Welsh Sustainable Sea Fisheries Project - Feedback Requests

[Guest polaris]

yet more rubbish from you, absolutely nothing in your armoury whatsoever. Thought we would have a decent discussion, obviously your not up for it.

To have a decent discussion bazza, both parties have to be able to understand the details of the argument and be prepared to listen to each other; I would listen to you if you didn't keep saying rubbish, literally. Unfortunately you come with your views ready prepared, Blue Peter style, and have no interest whatsoever in having those contradicted.

 

As for solving the bass shortage in a few days what is your miracle solution?

[Guest polaris]

Over here, in the USA where a number of recreationally important species are managed primarily for sportfishing it has worked out really well. Commercial guys simply became "guides" at a far greater return on investment and overall income. Is that possible with "your babies"?

The Americans are relatively advanced in conservation compared to the UK

[barry luxton]

To have a decent discussion bazza, both parties have to be able to understand the details of the argument and be prepared to listen to each other; I would listen to you if you didn't keep saying rubbish, literally. Unfortunately you come with your views ready prepared, Blue Peter style, and have no interest whatsoever in having those contradicted.

 

As for solving the bass shortage in a few days what is your miracle solution?

more rubbish from yourself, no counter argument, just snide worthless put downs, don't you have anything of value to post, sport, go away and come back with something worthwhile.

[Guest polaris]

Ah more "rubbish" barry. Where do you get it all from? :

[Guest polaris]

Good afternoon, sorry not had chance to contribute to this fast moving thread, i'm currently in the middle of writing up what results I have got for this small bit of the study.

 

Hope to be able to give some feedback in about a month and a 1/2 and would also hope to be able to respond to some of the opinions expressed. It is important to us that we address any concerns, hopefully even if individuals have issue with contributing to the fisheries data, then they can perceive a value in getting involved with economic surveys.

 

There is also some data coming out of the biological sample work headed by Giulia which we shall also make available - this will help give a very clear idea to anglers what the data outputs will look like.

 

Hi

Will there be a detailed write up online? I'd be interested in the details of the study. Look forward to your report.

[gmonkman]

My two surveys are now closed. Thanks for all those who contributed.

 

The Welsh Sustainable Fisheries Project is still underway, for updates and details on how to contact the team or how to contribute, please visit our website..

 

In addition, here is a very early preliminary output derived from the (still underway) biological sampling.

 

 

From a personal perspective, I hope this will perhaps bring the colourful discussion down a notch or two by contrasting what the real project outputs will be, against the really high level policy and management centric points of contention being discussed!

[Guest polaris]

Thanks for posting this gmonkman. One thing that stands out is the few contributions to the survey of anglers. I also note that all the bass are over the size limit (of course). Is there any way of getting data on the relative numbers of bass under 36cm? It's widely thought that the small fish now constitute a much larger proportion of the stock compared to a decade or two ago.

[barry luxton]

My two surveys are now closed. Thanks for all those who contributed.

 

The Welsh Sustainable Fisheries Project is still underway, for updates and details on how to contact the team or how to contribute, please visit our website..

 

In addition, here is a very early preliminary output derived from the (still underway) biological sampling.

 

 

From a personal perspective, I hope this will perhaps bring the colourful discussion down a notch or two by contrasting what the real project outputs will be, against the really high level policy and management centric points of contention being discussed!

it clearly indicates the commercial sector are willing to participate, however with so little input, it will be very difficult to conclude any meaningful management decisions that will affect the whole of the industry, both rsa and commercial. It indicated, a clean fishery, and the commercial inshore sector needs applauding for the method of rod and line fishing as opposed to other methods, so well done to you guys. The welsh project seriously can't come up with any new management plans with such a limited scattering of information. How or what would be the point of new legislation, management against any of the fishery, in comparison to the take of the bass stock by the French as an example.

 

It indicated that a larger class size of fish was targeted by the commercial sector than the rsa, so anecdotal evidence by the rsa, can't be justified when stating that there aren't any biggies out there to catch.

 

2 regular respondents, 5 part time and the rest of the 22 in total no response.

 

The only way to get information on undersized bass polaris, is to go fish illegally, bass nursery areas, so that question is rather ill conceived. Why would commercials target undersized bass, especially rod and line fishing if they can't sell them, gawed, that really don't take any working out. If there is a perceived larger amount of undersized bass out there as you intimate, it certainly puts a hole in the protestations regarding very poor recruitment, that bass, the trust including mr salter are using at the moment, you can't have both, so what is it to be?

Edited October 5, 2013 by barry luxton

[Guest polaris]

it clearly indicates the commercial sector are willing to participate, however with so little input, it will be very difficult to conclude any meaningful management decisions that will affect the whole of the industry, both rsa and commercial. It indicated, a clean fishery, and the commercial inshore sector needs applauding for the method of rod and line fishing as opposed to other methods, so well done to you guys. The welsh project seriously can't come up with any new management plans with such a limited scattering of information. How or what would be the point of new legislation, management against any of the fishery, in comparison to the take of the bass stock by the French as an example.

 

It indicated that a larger class size of fish was targeted by the commercial sector than the rsa, so anecdotal evidence by the rsa, can't be justified when stating that there aren't any biggies out there to catch.

 

2 regular respondents, 5 part time and the rest of the 22 in total no response.

 

The only way to get information on undersized bass polaris, is to go fish illegally, bass nursery areas, so that question is rather ill conceived. Why would commercials target undersized bass, especially rod and line fishing if they can't sell them, gawed, that really don't take any working out. If there is a perceived larger amount of undersized bass out there as you intimate, it certainly puts a hole in the protestations regarding very poor recruitment, that bass, the trust including mr salter are using at the moment, you can't have both, so what is it to be?

You never disappoint do you bazza. Still, well done for noticing that few anglers responded. Maybe they listened to your paranoid "tell them nothing" campaign. Probably not actually - I doubt anyone listens to you.

 

No, you don't need to fish illegally to get information on undersized bass; stock surveys already have some information on this. Just wondered whether the Wales study had any information. And I never mentioned anything about recruitment, just that the finding of the fisheries people is that the stock of large bass is lower than the past. Oh and don't pretend you're smarter than you are: your continued insistence that all is well with fish stocks goes against every piece of evidence out there and the views of every specialist. But you in your delusions think they are all wrong. Bazza knows best eh? Wake up man.

[barry luxton]

You never disappoint do you bazza. Still, well done for noticing that few anglers responded. Maybe they listened to your paranoid "tell them nothing" campaign. Probably not actually - I doubt anyone listens to you.

 

No, you don't need to fish illegally to get information on undersized bass; stock surveys already have some information on this. Just wondered whether the Wales study had any information. And I never mentioned anything about recruitment, just that the finding of the fisheries people is that the stock of large bass is lower than the past. Oh and don't pretend you're smarter than you are: your continued insistence that all is well with fish stocks goes against every piece of evidence out there and the views of every specialist. But you in your delusions think they are all wrong. Bazza knows best eh? Wake up man.

obviously you don't have the information regarding undersized bass do you, all talk, yak yac yak, so show us the information you have then. The stock surveys you claim, link please do. Or is it more of the same, throw out personal insults that you specialise in, in the hope that it will swerve, as you wouldn't have asked the question would you, this tell them nothing campaign perhaps you can also enlighten us.

 

Nope, it's you who have forgotten within one post that you have intimated that there are more undersized fish. It's obvious isn't it, that if as you intimate there's more of them, then recruitment isn't a problem. As I said, you can't have both, can you. Gawed. Is there more or not, yes or no. Make your mind up, or toss a coin.

 

As for your anecdotal insistence that every specialist and every piece of information available is contrary to what I have said, show us the evidence, you can't. You fail. Don't bother with the latest ices report on the bass, I have already covered that one, including the -20% that's also contrary to your claim that I have said all fish stocks are in prime condition, I bet you have nothing, ziltch.