Nuts!

[Elton]

Den,

 

No idea what that lot means, but is it after soaking and boiling?

[poledark]

Me neither Elton just thought I would throw a few facts in the fire

 

I have eaten loads of them cooked and I haven't lost any weight

 

My club MKF allow the use of CRUSHED nuts either on their own or mixed in a boily mix.

 

Den

[RobStubbs]

Ingrediants of Tiger nuts...

 

Minerals in mg % Other ingredients:

Na: 34 7% Proteins

K: 424 26% Fats (oils)

Ca: 92 31% Starch

Mg: 93 26 % Fiber, 14% non

soluble and 12% soluble.

Fe: 4

Cu: 0,97

Zn: 3,5 100 g tigernuts = 1635 kJ

= 386 kcal = 2,6 BE

Mn: 0,25

P: 211

 

Can any of you list what is in your baits (not guesswork, facts)

Den

 

And if you look at fish poo after eating these you will see a lot of it comes out like it went in - just crushed up a bit. That's one of the 'problems' i.e. they are not bioavailable. They are undoubtedly a great bait and pose no problem if used sensibly in moderation.

 

Rob.

Edited February 23, 2006 by RobStubbs

[Tony U]

And if you look at fish poo after eating these you will see a lot of it comes out like it went in - just crushed up a bit. That's one of the 'problems' i.e. they are not bioavailable. They are undoubtedly a great bait and pose no problem if used sensibly in moderation.

 

Rob.

 

Just exactly why is this a problem, many mammalian ruminants excrete vegetable matter and eat it again in order to fully extract the nutrients, rabbits are one example that comes to mind.

 

Tony U

[RobStubbs]

Just exactly why is this a problem, many mammalian ruminants excrete vegetable matter and eat it again in order to fully extract the nutrients, rabbits are one example that comes to mind.

 

Tony U

 

Tony,

Carp aren't ruminants (neither are rabbits though) so there's no comparison. Ruminants regurgitate food around multiple stomachs, rabbits are coprophagic. The simple fact is that carp do appear to grow less well on a diet high in nuts so it seems sensible to limit their use to reasonable amounts.

 

Rob.

[Tony U]

Tony,

Carp aren't ruminants (neither are rabbits though) so there's no comparison. Ruminants regurgitate food around multiple stomachs, rabbits are coprophagic. The simple fact is that carp do appear to grow less well on a diet high in nuts so it seems sensible to limit their use to reasonable amounts.

 

Rob.

 

The fact us it does not appear to do any of them any significant harm, indeed i have witnessed Carp feeding on duck excrement at a few venues (straight out of the duck by the way not fed by anglers) so whilst it may be abhorrent to us we should not apply our values accordingly. I also doubt that sufficient research has been done on the nutritional value of tiger nuts to a feral carp population to reach any definitive conclusion other than hypothesis by casual observation.

 

P.s .as I have stated on many occassions a tiger nut is not a nut, it is a tuber of a sedge and neither is a peanut a nut it is a legume like peas or beans.

Edited February 23, 2006 by Tony U

[Newt]

yellow nutsedge

 

Uprooted and with root nodules (tiger nuts when sold)

 

And while I certainly don't have any research data, from observation they do seem to be harmless as is dried maize fed in almost any quantity you can imagine.

 

Maybe not good nutrition since I doubt if the tubers are much changed, much less digested, while passing through the fish but certainly not harmful per se.

[RobStubbs]

The fact us it does not appear to do any of them any significant harm, indeed i have witnessed Carp feeding on duck excrement at a few venues (straight out of the duck by the way not fed by anglers) so whilst it may be abhorrent to us we should not apply our values accordingly. I also doubt that sufficient research has been done on the nutritional value of tiger nuts to a feral carp population to reach any definitive conclusion other than hypothesis by casual observation.

 

P.s .as I have stated on many occassions a tiger nut is not a nut, it is a tuber of a sedge and neither is a peanut a nut it is a legume like peas or beans.

 

Tony,

With respect we are not talking scientific research here, but fishing. The anecdotal evidence supports the theory that large amounts of nuts (lets just call them that) are not good for fish weights. This is not unsuprising given both their low protein content and their poor digestibility. So for me that is enough to limit their use - nothing more for tigers anyway. If you want to go off and search for research on any carp baits then feel free. You will find nothing on boilies or anything else for that matter. The little research that has been done has been on carp in tanks or holding ponds primarily as food sources in the developing world and that's wholly irrelevant for carp in 'normal' lakes and rivers.

 

Rob.

[Tony U]

Rob

Point taken, its the quasi-scientific reasoning for bait bans that gets my goat ,for as you say there is little actual research on any carp baits.

It has always struck me as odd as to why on some waters one legume Peanuts can be banned yet Maple peas are allowed? the justification usually being the mistaken belief that a peanut is a nut.

Mind you I dont use peanuts or tigers myself as they are banned on my club waters (as a result of massive overbaiting,).

 

Tony

Edited February 24, 2006 by Tony U

[RobStubbs]

Rob

Point taken, its the quasi-scientific reasoning for bait bans that gets my goat ,for as you say there is little actual research on any carp baits.

It has always struck me as odd as to why on some waters one legume Peanuts can be banned yet Maple peas are allowed? the justification usually being the mistaken belief that a peanut is a nut.

Mind you I dont use peanuts or tigers myself as they are banned on my club waters (as a result of massive overbaiting,).

 

Tony

 

Tony,

It really doesn't matter what it technically is, it's called a 'nut'. Peanuts have been banned on most waters for a long time - partly the poor nutritional qualities, partly the (dubious) bait swelling issue and partly the mould / toxin problem. The latter accounts for a number of human fatalities each year so cannot be over stated. We don't need peanuts or tigers so I'm happy enough without them. I may however take a tin of tigers to France with me each year (if allowed) but that's my only exception.

 

Rob.