Nuts!

[Comus]

Hi All,

 

I'm aware that most lakes have a ban on nuts and in particular, Tiger Nuts. Now I've always thought that I knew the reason for this, that being that poorly prepared nuts can swell in the stomach of a fish and damage or even kill it and as such have never considered using them, even on waters where they aren't banned.

 

In a bait shop recently, however, I have seen tins of prepared tiger nuts in a syrup and also tiger nut boilies. Also I've seen reference on another forum to tiger nut groundbait.

 

Is my understanding of the reason for the ban completely off track? If not could someone explain why these commercially prepared Tiger nuts are also banned and also would tiger nut boilies and groundbaits, presumably containing powdered tiger nut amongst it's ingredients, count as 'tiger nuts'.

 

Thanks,

 

Comus

Edited February 21, 2006 by Comus

[cyrano]

Hi All,

 

I'm aware that most lakes have a ban on nuts and in particular, Tiger Nuts. Now I've always thought that I knew the reason for this, that being that poorly prepared nuts can swell in the stomach of a fish and damage or even kill it and as such have never considered using them, even on waters where they aren't banned.

 

In a bait shop recently, however, I have seen tins of prepared tiger nuts in a syrup and also tiger nut boilies. Also I've seen reference on another forum to tiger nut groundbait.

 

Is my understanding of the reason for the ban completely off track? If not could someone explain why these commercially prepared Tiger nuts are also banned and also would tiger nut boilies and groundbaits, presumably containing powdered tiger nut amongst it's ingredients, count as 'tiger nuts'.

 

Thanks,

 

Comus

Comus, you need to be certain if the ban is referring to nuts themselves (tigers,peanuts brasils etc) or nut based baits, as in baits containing nut meal. dynamites tiger boilies and pop ups for example. The reason nuts themselves are banned is because if you allow say tiger nuts to be used how will the fishery owner be able to differentiate between commercially prepared and home prepared baits.

there has been too much abuse in the past and folks are not prepared to leave such issues to chance.

Check with the relevent authority for clarification.

[Newt]

This whole 'nuts' thing crops up here fairly regularly. Most times, the poster will mention the possibility of the nuts swelling and somehow harming a fish. So far when I've asked for hard evidence of it happening, the closest will be, "Well, I know it happens because my bruver once fished with a feller who said he knew of a man who had seen it happen once, somewhere".

 

Given the structure of a carp's digestive system, I really doubt it could happen.

 

Most fisheries with a nut ban in place either have it because they heard from the person 'whose bruver ...." and believed that or because of the legit problem of nuts being attractive to fish but not very nourishing so that any carp spending lots of eating time on nuts will likely lose weight and not be particularly healthy.

 

Tiger nuts, in particular, seem very attractive to some carp and are tough enough that a single nut is likely to pass through a half-dozen or more fish (or worse yet, the same fish a half-dozen times) without providing significant food value.

[Elton]

Some places ban them purely because they don't have the nutritional value that other baits have.

 

There's an article on using them here http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/Carp-Fishing-A...tiger_nuts.html

 

As cyrano points out, the ban doesn't usually extend to nut based baits, i.e. boilies, but the nuts themselves.

[Steve Burke]

The Carp Lake at Wingham received a lot of tiger nuts one year. Shortly afterwards the carp stopped growing. On Bruno Broughton's advice I banned nuts, and the carp starting growing again. It may have been coincidence but I doubt it.

[jeepster]

if i remember correctly, tiger nuts aren't actually nuts are they?

[Steve Burke]

So I gather. However, presumably Bruno suggested I ban all nuts as they have the same effect. The fish love them, but it seems they don't grow well enough on them. I'm told they pass through the fish undigested and then get eaten again! If the fish's gut is full of nuts presumably they eat little else.

 

Before anyone posts that on other waters that fish have grown where nuts are used, I'd add that the only water I have any control over is mine - where I want the maximum growth I can get. Bruno's recommendation appears to have worked, and that's good enough for me!

Edited February 22, 2006 by Steve Burke

[Tony U]

if i remember correctly, tiger nuts aren't actually nuts are they?

 

Yes I have commented on this a couple of times look at:

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/forums/index.p...26&hl=tiger+nut

[RobStubbs]

The main reason for banning nuts is a fish welfare one. They are nutritionally very poor and can lead to carp eating them to the exclusion of other more nutritional food sources and hence they loose weight or don't gain it as quickly. The other reason is that poorly stored nuts are prone to getting a mould which produces a chemical that is carcinogenic (I think it primarily affects the liver).

 

Rob.

[poledark]

Ingrediants of Tiger nuts...

 

Minerals in mg % Other ingredients:

Na: 34 7% Proteins

K: 424 26% Fats (oils)

Ca: 92 31% Starch

Mg: 93 26 % Fiber, 14% non

soluble and 12% soluble.

Fe: 4

Cu: 0,97

Zn: 3,5 100 g tigernuts = 1635 kJ

= 386 kcal = 2,6 BE

Mn: 0,25

P: 211

 

Can any of you list what is in your baits (not guesswork, facts)

 

 

Den

Edited February 23, 2006 by poledark