Government dumps its fishy problem overboard

[Leon Roskilly]

How the hell we get that one off the ground I am not sure but to me it seems the only way forward.

 

I spent a couple of days last week as an invited observer at the European Anglers Alliance General Assembly, this year held in London.

 

That is the body where national angling organisations of all disciplines come together to press the case for Recreational Angling, and the issues that confront angling in Europe, at the European level.

 

The EAA also represents angling interests on the CFP's Regional Advisory Councils (RACS)

 

(Though anglers positions on the RACS, and the NGOs is very much like our anglers reps on the Sea Fisheries Committees).

 

The NFSA is the body that represents UK sea angling interests within the EAA.

 

Further Information at http://www.eaa-europe.org

Edited October 30, 2007 by Leon Roskilly

[barry luxton]

I have been chewing the fat over the last couple of days and I have come to the conclusion we have to take this fight to the EU and in order to do that we have not only to unite the UK under one flag but France, Spain, Ireland any EU country with RSAs which would be a body numbering in millions, then we can take them on. We will never come out of the EU no matter who's in power so that has to be the level to fight at. How the hell we get that one off the ground I am not sure but to me it seems the only way forward.

 

 

 

Don't know how, the rsa can't even deal with defra and the likes of the nffo, so got less chance than no chance with the eu unfortunatly. I have also noticed in the last few days how quiet the angling bodies are, there is absoloutly no discussion going on regarding how to move forward with the at home fishy problems, it's total crap Ken. I have also fired off at least six emails to the likes of ministers etc, to date, not even one acknoledgement, you can see how much anyone cares. Not worth a to...ss.

 

H A seems to have the right idea, bless him.

[Leon Roskilly]

I have also noticed in the last few days how quiet the angling bodies are, there is absoloutly no discussion going on regarding how to move forward with the at home fishy problems, it's total crap Ken.

 

Don't you believe it!

 

Plenty of emails, phone calls and meetings being arranged etc.,

[barry luxton]

Don't you believe it!

 

Plenty of emails, phone calls and meetings being arranged etc.,

 

Will it count for anything. Perhaps you can tell us what happend Leon, no one else seems to know anything, the damage has been done. That minister is not going to back track on what he has decided.

 

So again, whats next in his pipeline for the rsa i wonder, more joy no doubt.

[steve good]

Hi All

 

Smiles, I think I am going to take some stick on this one,

 

You are all having melt down and you should not be looking at it in the way you are.

 

The facts, the BMP was put to the then minster, who excepted it and took it forward, up to this point the commercials were not consulted so the problem of discards were a unknown factor, this was a flaw in the BMP that was not realised by the minster or the anglers that had the concept of the BMP.

 

The logic, when commercials later raised the issue of discards and Dr Pawson confirmed that it was a problem the new minster had to make a commen sense decision which he did by not raising the mls for bass.

 

The minster is not against anglers and he has not slapped you on the face, and he does not deserve some of the alful remarks that you have given him, in light of the facts (discards) what was he to do, put the mls up just to please you knowing that any benifit would be wasted in the form of discards.

 

The many differant bodies that drew up the BMP and supported it worked hard and done well to get it as far as it went, it would have succeeded but for their oversight of the discard problem, they should be appauded not condemned for their efforts as some of you are doing.

 

I think some of you have taken it to personally and have mis-read the situation

 

Thats my veiw for what is worth

 

steve

[barry luxton]

Were is the more and bigger fish coming from, wonder if Mr Deas is going to do as he has said and let us in on the secret. Why has the size of the inshore bass stock got to an average of 30cm's whereas twenty years ago it was not worth reporting in the fishy papers if you was catching an average size of five pounders from the shore. The french don't come in that close do they. That is the differance between 'sustainable' and an increasing stock size. Well Mr Deas.

 

Haven't heard too many derogatory remarks being passed to the minister yet. The value of the bass stock to commercial is miniscule compared with the value the rsa could put on it,if they were allowed to grow for the benifit of all, why do commercial need to fish for discard? When has the commercial sector demonstrated that it does not like discards, why did they need to make an issue if it in this instance .Surly they would much rather fish for a healthy stock then fish for a dimminishing one, don't make sence. Why is there a need to catch the smaller bass and turn them into fishmeal.

Edited October 30, 2007 by barry luxton

[stavey]

Were is the more and bigger fish coming from, wonder if Mr Deas is going to do as he has said and let us in on the secret. Why has the size of the inshore bass stock got to an average of 30cm's whereas twenty years ago it was not worth reporting in the fishy papers if you was catching an average size of five pounders from the shore. The french don't come in that close do they. That is the differance between 'sustainable' and an increasing stock size. Well Mr Deas.

 

Haven't heard too many derogatory remarks being passed to the minister yet. The value of the bass stock to commercial is miniscule compared with the value the rsa could put on it,if they were allowed to grow for the benifit of all, why do commercial need to fish for discard? When has the commercial sector demonstrated that it does not likes discards, why did they need to make an issue if it in this instance .Surly they would much rather fish for a healty stock then fish for a dimminishing one, don't make sence. Why is there a need to catch the smaller bass and turn them into fishmeal.

 

Hi barry the discard issue a load of boll***s mate they have allways had discards and they will carry on having them,the problem was not being "allowed" to carry on catching and selling immature baby fish if the mls came in, as for them not seeing the long term benefits and fishing for a healthy stock i reay dont think they careless, still they can carry on now fishing for baby fish with there baby heads cant they, cheers..........

[wurzel]

Hi All

 

Smiles, I think I am going to take some stick on this one,

 

You are all having melt down and you should not be looking at it in the way you are.

 

The facts, the BMP was put to the then minster, who excepted it and took it forward, up to this point the commercials were not consulted so the problem of discards were a unknown factor, this was a flaw in the BMP that was not realised by the minster or the anglers that had the concept of the BMP.

 

The logic, when commercials later raised the issue of discards and Dr Pawson confirmed that it was a problem the new minster had to make a commen sense decision which he did by not raising the mls for bass.

 

The minster is not against anglers and he has not slapped you on the face, and he does not deserve some of the alful remarks that you have given him, in light of the facts (discards) what was he to do,

put the mls up just to please you knowing that any benifit would be wasted in the form of discards.

 

The many differant bodies that drew up the BMP and supported it worked hard and done well to get it as far as it went, it would have succeeded but for their oversight of the discard problem, they should be appauded not condemned for their efforts as some of you are doing.

 

I think some of you have taken it to personally and have mis-read the situation

 

Thats my veiw for what is worth

 

steve

 

 

It also clashed with the EU commissions new directive to cut discards in all fisheries, I think thier main aim is to cut codling discards, it would not have mattered what government was in power the advice from DEFRA would have been the same, they could not be seen to add to a discard problem.

[steve good]

It also clashed with the EU commissions new directive to cut discards in all fisheries, I think thier main aim is to cut codling discards, it would not have mattered what government was in power the advice from DEFRA would have been the same, they could not be seen to add to a discard problem.

Hi Peter You are right in what you say I dont know what will happen in the new year only we are going to have to land all we catch in terms of discards is that bass as well I wondersteve

Hi barry the discard issue a load of boll***s mate they have allways had discards and they will carry on having them,the problem was not being "allowed" to carry on catching and selling immature baby fish if the mls came in, as for them not seeing the long term benefits and fishing for a healthy stock i reay dont think they careless, still they can carry on now fishing for baby fish with there baby heads cant they, cheers..........

Hi staveyI ear that there catching quite few bass and codling near lancing from the beach waterside is it calledsteve

[H.A.]

For God’s sake Steve, you seem to making an argument for the benefits of catching and marketing undersized fish.

 

Let’s start from basics, eh?

 

Even a 14 year old, studying science in the National Curriculum, knows that a population, in the wild, cannot be sustained if a species is not allowed to reproduce naturally.

 

Remove the animals or plants before they are mature and capable of reproducing and you are creating losers in the survival stakes.

 

Catch too many of a species in one place and they become fewer and their survival is threatened. Continue to remove even the pre-breeders and there is one inevitable conclusion.

 

Now, any sensible, long-term industry builds a foundation from a good business plan; they don’t simply rely on Governments to create all the parameters they work by.

The fishing industry has no sustainable business plan; it is, for the vast proportion of its practices, ASSET STRIPPING …

no more, no less and without a care in the world.

 

The poor fishermen, merchants and processors are just out to make a living, eh?

Well, me matey, for how much longer???

 

Advance technology (as it always will), destroy the habitats where fish grow and feed with your efficient catching methods and equipment, use diamond meshes with no relationship to ‘real mesh size’ which allows small fish to escape, hammer every piece of ground in every area, (Grand Banks stylee, eh?) …… and then turn around when there are no fish left and say Governments should have done something about it when they could.

 

Sleep soundly my commercial bretheren.