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Plenty of leaves on brambles in the winter but the moth would need tough mandibles to eat them but dock leaves are about all year round as are hops in sheltered spots so i guess theres enough food or there wouldnt be two generations about at the same time (thanks google)

I expect it comes to preffered food and eating anything in times of need

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Caterpillars may need food but don't think you do from an over wintered chrysalis to hatch?

 

ps plenty new growth on my blackberrys just now ready for a moth to lay its eggs on.

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Caterpillars may need food but don't think you do from an over wintered chrysalis to hatch?

 

Brian A larva is a "caterpillar" A pupa is a "chrysalis"

 

Different moth species overwinter at different stages of their life cycles some as eggs, some as small larvae , some as fully grown larvae, some as pupae and some as adult moths. Angle shades does so as small larvae, hence in early spring they need food to grow larger, pupate and then emerge as moths. from May onwards. The one photographed here is a bit earlier than usual - possibly due to the mild winter - but they need food as well as warmth so a early moth which overwinters as a larva must have had access to early leaves whilst still a caterpillar.

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Brian A larva is a "caterpillar" A pupa is a "chrysalis"

 

Different moth species overwinter at different stages of their life cycles some as eggs, some as small larvae , some as fully grown larvae, some as pupae and some as adult moths. Angle shades does so as small larvae, hence in early spring they need food to grow larger, pupate and then emerge as moths. from May onwards. The one photographed here is a bit earlier than usual - possibly due to the mild winter - but they need food as well as warmth so a early moth which overwinters as a larva must have had access to early leaves whilst still a caterpillar.

Yes got the larvae pupa thing, just didn't follow an overwintered pupa needing food.

 

Back from work and just did a google and yes known to overwinter as larva. but a suggestion that they can be quite mature larvae and not need huge amounts of early season food before turning.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjDovTJqsDTAhWnD8AKHbdEAV8QFghMMAY&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wildlifeinsight.com%2Fbritish-moths%2Fangle-shades-moth-phlogophora-meticulosa%2F&usg=AFQjCNH5dtxL9Rnx9y4usWHUz1NDxPxang

 

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Yes got the larvae pupa thing, just didn't follow an overwintered pupa needing food.

 

Back from work and just did a google and yes known to overwinter as larva. but a suggestion that they can be quite mature larvae and not needing huge amounts of early season food before turning.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjDovTJqsDTAhWnD8AKHbdEAV8QFghMMAY&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wildlifeinsight.com%2Fbritish-moths%2Fangle-shades-moth-phlogophora-meticulosa%2F&usg=AFQjCNH5dtxL9Rnx9y4usWHUz1NDxPxang

 

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Yes got the larvae pupa thing, just didn't follow an overwintered pupa needing food.

 

I didn't say it did !

Angle shades overwinters as larva, If small it will need to grow before pupating

 

...and yes it has a long season and more than one brood per year, so the overwintering larva could be of various sizes - another site says you can sometimes find the adults in any month of the year.

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Sorry did I miss read.

A food supply is needed to get from winter pupa to adult by late April,

 

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Sorry did I miss read.

No, I mistyped All my fault, sorry, Now corrected

 

Must be getting old !

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That's ok, if you had another 10 lives I'd still have top family spot for mistyping bad spelling and poor grammar. But good to know others are at least trying a bit. Lol

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